Heritage vs Warwick

[Phoebus_Dynasty]

Warwick 49 Heritage 0

[jb1edlover]

Warwick... with ease
38-8

Heritage gets a TD this week and converts the 2 pt play!
JB

[Palmervia]

Heritage isn't moving the ball well at all. Wawick 35 Heritage 0

[Phoebus_Dynasty]

Warwick... with ease
38-8

Heritage gets a TD this week and converts the 2 pt play!
JB

I heard that a lot of Heritage's starters quit after the Phoebus game and some more quit after the Hampton game so I don't see them scoring this season :lol:

[swampcane]

Warwick 42-0.

I can't see Heritage scoring an offensive touchdown. Maybe a special teams play or a defense scoop and score, but not this week.

[06Raider]

Prediction: Cardon Johnson will match or better his 4 TDs against Gloucester.

Warwick 56
Heritage 0

[jb1edlover]

Guess when a coach quits the players usually aren't far behind...

[phsblue&gold]

I heard that a lot of Heritage's starters quit after the Phoebus game and some more quit after the Hampton game so I don't see them scoring this season :lol:

Well, I guess we're all wrong because I looked it up and Heritage did score 3 points on Bethel earlier this season.

[KHSWarrior85]

Can kids join a football team mid season? Heritage has talent, no one can convince me that they don't.

[phsblue&gold]

Can kids join a football team mid season? Heritage has talent, no one can convince me that they don't.

An 0-6 record, and 3 pts scored all season has convinced me enough.

[KHSWarrior85]

An 0-6 record, and 3 pts scored all season has convinced me enough.

No. This is the fault of coaching. In 1997 coach Roger Pierce of Heritage started the season 0-6. At the end of the year he resigned to take a job at Stafford HS. The next year Curt Newsome takes the position and leads Heritage to a 9-1 season which contained a #1 State AP poll ranking for a few weeks. The point I am trying to make is the talent is in that school and someone needs to find it.

[pekay4455]

I heard that a lot of Heritage's starters quit after the Phoebus game and some more quit after the Hampton game so I don't see them scoring this season :lol:

I have on good source that the starters didn't quit they got kicked off the team for behavior issues.

[WoHS Football]

Warwick 38 Heritage 0

Heritage is just plain out horrible

[swampcane]

No. This is the fault of coaching. In 1997 coach Roger Pierce of Heritage started the season 0-6. At the end of the year he resigned to take a job at Stafford HS. The next year Curt Newsome takes the position and leads Heritage to a 9-1 season which contained a #1 State AP poll ranking for a few weeks. The point I am trying to make is the talent is in that school and someone needs to find it.

So I guess in your opinion all of the coaches at Heritage are lousy because pretty much every coach is losing. Even the boys basketball coach who just won a state title with the girls two years ago. Now he's winning 3 games a year. I guess he isn't any good either. People were on here screaming about the coaches last year and now Heritage has an entirely new staff. Are the results better then last year? Is it still that the coaches are the problem?

Its not all coaching. Newsome inheirted kids like Blackstock, Johnson, and several others who were either freshman or too young to play the year before. Then on top of it, he did an excellent job coaching. So good, that from Heritage he went to JMU and now VA Tech. Quillen was then able to continue that success, but even he wasn't successful when he came back after a two year absence.

Where is all of that talent? I have asked this question before. People assume that they should be good, but why? They won a state title because there was a spectacular group of ballers there at one time. Before then and since then they've had very little.

Five winning seasons in 15 years doesn't even make a program good. Three playoff seasons in 15 years doesn't make you a talent laden school.

[swampcane]

I have on good source that the starters didn't quit they got kicked off the team for behavior issues.


I've heard the same. Most people that are saying they quit were kicked off the team.

[Phoebus_Dynasty]

I have on good source that the starters didn't quit they got kicked off the team for behavior issues.

Oh wow I just was told after the Phoebus game a lot of their starters weren't on the team anymore I just assumed they quit. I know a couple players on their team were trying to fight us and one or two were ejected

Not to take anything away from Hampton but they played the 2nd team of the worst team in the district...I would've loved to went against that :lol:

Also, did anyone know that Hampton-Heritage game was the Cox 11 Game of the Week? No clue why but it was

[GLYMONT]

Guess when a coach quits the players usually aren't far behind...

About seven of them quit after the Phoebus game.

[GLYMONT]

I've heard the same. Most people that are saying they quit were kicked off the team.

Several said "they quit".

[Sorryanotherphantom]

Warwick 49 Heritage 7. I put the 7 out there just because I want the kids to get a little taste of something. I talked to an injured player for heritage today,the situation is not improving over there at all.Warwick has a good offense w/o much success lately,this could get uglier.

[Phoebus_Dynasty]

About seven of them quit after the Phoebus game.

And then they all transferred to Phoebus! :lol: Let me stop before yall take me serious but that's sad! I think the Heritage coach might have to resign after this season because to be averaging 0.5 points a game is just down right HILARIOUS

[The Educator]

The Heritage/Hampton game was selected as the game of the week back in August. All of the "Games of the Week" were in the Daily Press preseason publication.

Anyway, I logged on to confirm what swampcane said about the so-called talent at Heritage. Other than tennis last year, not one boys team came close to a winning record. Anyone who is talking about the talent at Heritage is crazy. If it was there, SOMEBODY in the building would be winning.

The problem at Heritage is not a coaching problem. Lots of people know Bill Dee as the person who won at Phoebus, but remember that until 1998 or so, Phoebus was not all that good. He coached a good crop of kids that led him to his first title, just like the Newsome/Quillen years at Heritage. The difference is, Dee stayed at Phoebus and was able to maintain the success. Newport News did not allow Quillen to stay because he wanted to retire from teaching. If they had allowed that staff to stay on, Heritage would be the Newport News All-Star team and would be able to compete. The Hampton schools work to hold on to winning coaches. Newport News doesn't care one way or the other.

Coaches can teach a team X's and O's, but they can't teach them how to compete when football is not a priority in the school or in the city.

[KHSWarrior85]

The Heritage/Hampton game was selected as the game of the week back in August. All of the "Games of the Week" were in the Daily Press preseason publication.

Anyway, I logged on to confirm what swampcane said about the so-called talent at Heritage. Other than tennis last year, not one boys team came close to a winning record. Anyone who is talking about the talent at Heritage is crazy. If it was there, SOMEBODY in the building would be winning.

The problem at Heritage is not a coaching problem. Lots of people know Bill Dee as the person who won at Phoebus, but remember that until 1998 or so, Phoebus was not all that good. He coached a good crop of kids that led him to his first title, just like the Newsome/Quillen years at Heritage. The difference is, Dee stayed at Phoebus and was able to maintain the success. Newport News did not allow Quillen to stay because he wanted to retire from teaching. If they had allowed that staff to stay on, Heritage would be the Newport News All-Star team and would be able to compete. The Hampton schools work to hold on to winning coaches. Newport News doesn't care one way or the other.

Coaches can teach a team X's and O's, but they can't teach them how to compete when football is not a priority in the school or in the city.


To think they have talent is crazy lol. Man I just want to know how Newsome n Quillen did it. That team started 0-6 just like this season to 9-1 the next. Its not like anyone transferred from Hampton either. Talent came from thin air? And Phoebus wasn't winning til '98?? In the 90's they had the 2nd best winning avg behind Hampton. I thin they only lost 18 game out of 120 something. I know it took Dee a while for kids to buy into his system but by the late 80's he began to compete every year. I believe! Lol

[Sorryanotherphantom]

I don't know how I missed that,Phoebus might not have been winning state championships,but they were winning.I only remember 2 losing seasons, 85 and 90 from 1985-2008.The rest Dee had Phoebus in the playoffs almost every year,including his 2nd one there.Now clearly it snapped into place and they became a team that hardly ever loses, but to say they weren't that good isn't true.

[swampcane]

To think they have talent is crazy lol. Man I just want to know how Newsome n Quillen did it. That team started 0-6 just like this season to 9-1 the next. Its not like anyone transferred from Hampton either. Talent came from thin air? And Phoebus wasn't winning til '98?? In the 90's they had the 2nd best winning avg behind Hampton. I thin they only lost 18 game out of 120 something. I know it took Dee a while for kids to buy into his system but by the late 80's he began to compete every year. I believe! Lol


There is talent in the city, just not much at Heritage right now. Every school but Menchville in NN has a magnet and the best talent right now is at Woodside. Look at the 5 schools in NN. Woodside is good, Warwick is decent and then you have Denbigh, Menchville, and Heritage.

Newsome and Quillen had an explosion of talent at one time and they coached it to a title, which is what good coaches should do. Don't forget that when Quillen came back in for two seasons in 03-04, he went 4-6 both years.

[swampcane]

I don't know how I missed that,Phoebus might not have been winning state championships,but they were winning.I only remember 2 losing seasons, 85 and 90 from 1985-2008.The rest Dee had Phoebus in the playoffs almost every year,including his 2nd one there.Now clearly it snapped into place and they became a team that hardly ever loses, but to say they weren't that good isn't true.

In they late 80s early 90's Phoebus was competitve in the district but not for state titles. I think thats what educator was saying. Phoebus was solid but you had Bethel with AI and Kecoughtan was a contender and of course Hampton. Seasons that would have been considered good then would be considered disappointing now.

Its seems to me that even though they had decent teams, the state didn't really start to take notice until Womack and company were there in the mid-90s. From that point they became state contenders and then of course in 2001 they won it all and have maintained dominance ever since.

[Sorryanotherphantom]

"Phoebus was not all that good" all I'm saying is that's a poor choice of words.They were co-district champs Dees 2nd year.They won more games than Bethel and Kecoughtan in the 90s.Its not really a true statement and since they won the second year on without looking back its not a good example of the point he was trying to make either.like I said,we weren't winning states but we were far away from not all that good.

[pekay4455]

And then they all transferred to Phoebus! :lol: Let me stop before yall take me serious but that's sad! I think the Heritage coach might have to resign after this season because to be averaging 0.5 points a game is just down right HILARIOUS

So you think the coach should do what Johnson did and tuck tale and run? I don't think so. Thats one of the big problems at Heritage to many coaches and teachers walk around with their head down and blame the kids instead of being pro active. I am a teacher in the building and I have been watching what this guy is doing and I am actually inmpressed. He is cleanning up the program and holding the kids accountable for their actions and I believe in a few years Heritage will have a competitve program with good kids who know how to win. It may not seem that way from the outside but looking from the inside there have been a lot of bad apples in this program for a long time and the players have been allowed to get away with things in the program they are no longer allowed to get away with. He goes to the games with the kids that are following the program rules and that may not always be the players that he can let alone win with but even be competitive with, but on the flip side the younger kids are buying in and the program will grow in a positive and I will say a winning direction. It is about character building and that leads to winning not only on the football field but in life. I don't think he will resign I think he will perserver and win.

[swampcane]

I think eventually the program will begin to move in a positive direction but this is not a one season fix. Heritage has been trending downward for a while. Look at the records.
2000 14-0 Quillen (state title)
2001 6-4 Garrett
2002 4-6 Garrett
2003 4-6 Quillen
2004 4-6 Quillen
2005 5-5 Robinson
2006 4-6 Robinson
2007 7-3 Robinson(playoffs)
2008 1-9 Robinson
2009 1-9 Robinson
2010 0-6 Tomblin

This involves four different head coaches, including the current one.
The new coach started removing "bad apples" about three weeks ago though, not at the begining of the season. As we were saying before many of those kids that "quit" were actually removed from the team.

I keep hearing jabs on here about what the previous coaches were doing and how the new coaches are doing it better. Just remember that those previous coaches are the only other staff in school history, besides Quillen, who were able to get the Canes to the playoffs. Coaches have to take responsibility for bad seasons, but they also should get credit for the good ones.

Coach Tomblin was hurt by the pre-season expectations that the only reason the Canes were losing was due to bad coaching and thats obviously not the case. Given time, things there can slowly be turned around.

[Lynn Burke]

SEASON DW DL DT OW OL OT
Before Bill Dee
1976 1 6 1 2 6 1
1977 0 8 0 0 10 0
1978 2 6 0 3 7 0
1979 4 3 1 6 3 1
1980 4 4 0 5 5 0
1981 2 6 0 3 7 0
1982 3 5 0 3 7 0
1983 1 7 0 1 9 0
1984 0 8 0 0 10 0
With Bill Dee
1985 1 7 0 1 9 0
1986 5 3 0 8 4 0
1987 6 2 0 10 3 0
Since 1987, Phoebus has had no losing seasons and only 3 5-5 seasons.

DW/DL/DT District wins, losses, ties
OW/OL/OT Overall wins, losses, ties

[Sorryanotherphantom]

thanks Lynn guess we pulled out an even season in 90 too, I'm getting old I can't remember them all.

[The Educator]

One of you hit it on the head earlier. One of the primary reasons I stay off of this blog is because people don't speak objectively. We often are speaking about subjects that are close to our hearts without actually looking at the facts. I said that Phoebus wasn't all that good in the late 80's because they were not where they are now. When I played against them, we beat them some and they beat us some. There were not the total dominance and superior expectations that we see now.

And I agree totally with swampcane in saying that coaching is not the problem at Heritage. Tomblin is doing all he can with what he has, which is the same thing Robinson was doing before him. It's easy for all of us to say that they must have some talent, but it's obvious that they don't. They have some kids that are dedicated, but the talent is just not there in the building, or someone other than tennis would be winning.

I wish Heritage the best, but it's going to take some dedication from the top down to get that program to win on a consistent basis.

[Sorryanotherphantom]

Man, now its late 80s and I'm not objective, you can't admit it was worded poorly and Dee won from year2 so it wasn't even a good example? Its ok,that's what I like least about the blogs, I expect people to like their teams.all I said was we were better than "not all that good"

[KHSWarrior85]

One of you hit it on the head earlier. One of the primary reasons I stay off of this blog is because people don't speak objectively. We often are speaking about subjects that are close to our hearts without actually looking at the facts. I said that Phoebus wasn't all that good in the late 80's because they were not where they are now. When I played against them, we beat them some and they beat us some. There were not the total dominance and superior expectations that we see now.

And I agree totally with swampcane in saying that coaching is not the problem at Heritage. Tomblin is doing all he can with what he has, which is the same thing Robinson was doing before him. It's easy for all of us to say that they must have some talent, but it's obvious that they don't. They have some kids that are dedicated, but the talent is just not there in the building, or someone other than tennis would be winning.

I wish Heritage the best, but it's going to take some dedication from the top down to get that program to win on a consistent basis.


I agree with you, and I was wrong for blaming the coaches if they are trying to instill discipline. I wish Heritage the best and I want to see teams compete with Phoebus and Hampton. Even when Hampton made its run you still have teams making it to the state Semi's.

[lovthegame1]

Points have not been easy for HHS this year. WHS 35 - HHS 0

[jb1edlover]

I think the coach at Heritage is building a foundation the right way. I'm sure if it was just to prove they could score he could design a couple a trick plays to score a few points but that's not real football.
JB

[ExCane1]

Only 4 starters were kicked off the team the rest quit because they didnt wanna play without the starters there but i do see warwick winning this game 35-7 hoping heritage score this week and dont look ahead to gloucester because they were a different team the past couple of years

[PD_SPORTS_KING]

i think warwick is slightly underrated

Warwick 35 Heritage 0