Hampton City Refs

[WoHS Football]

ive noticed at every game played at Darling Stadium against Newport News teams the Referees seem to have so many bad calls against the NN teams its not even funny

im not just saying that because im a woodside fan because ive seen it against other NN teams playing at Darling as well

The worst call ive ever seen in my life came yesterday at the woodside bethel game on a punt. Woodside punted the ball and Bethels Cooperwood clearly touched the ball and let it go past him one of woodsides players picked up the ball and had a touchdown for sure. It should have been ruled a fumble but iot was ruled down because they said cooperwood didnt touch it when CLEARLY he did... he even was running to try to get the ball after it bounced which tells me he knew he touched it and it was a fumble

woodside was leading the game 28-21 at that point after that call it should have been 35-21 but it wasnt that way. that call crushed woodsides momentum and they failed to score the rest of the game. If the play was called correctly i believe it would have been a total different outcome.

and im not saying there are no bad calls played at todd stadium but there sure seem to be alot more at Darling in favor of the Hampton Teams.

[Phoebus_Dynasty]

Hampton City Refs? No such thing...there is a such thing as Peninsula District Refs. I did see what you saw, but one play can't stop the fact that Woodside has no secondary look what Phoebus, Hampton, and now Bethel did against them. If I'm not mistaken Woodside is the game where Reid Evans had 3 TD catches, Hampton's Mitchell had over 200 yards passing, and now Bethel's QB had 5 passing TDs on Woodside. By the way he also had 5 passing TDs than Bethel had all season last year:lol::lol:

[twiceasnice757]

I can't confirm if it's a darling stadium vs nnps thing or not..but i will tell you, there were some horrible calls made at the bethel/woodside game..two very questionable pass interference calls against woodside as well as the punt return attempt that was touched by a bethel player(which the refs felt was not touched), not to mention, the same exact play that was called pass interference against woodside was not made against bethel.. but the BOTTOM LINE, bethel was the better team, and woodside arguably has the worst secondary in the league- you want to beat woodside, throw the ball

[PDFAN4]

It was the call that crushed woodside it was the bruins. they stepped and woodside didn't end of story

[GLYMONT]

I thought the officials called a great game Friday night. The calls they made were certainly backed-up by the replays available in the press box. Officials aren't perfect, calls are missed and some certainly are ghost calls.

Did you stop to think that maybe the Hampton teams are executing their plays more efficiently than Newport News schools?:clap2:

[footballfanatic540]

Something should be done about bad calls. I think officials should be punished for making terrible calls, then maybe they wouldn't be made on purpose.

[Warhawk]

And of course people's responses about how good or bad the officials were or how bad they screwed up a call is not at all influenced by who they are cheering for or how their team did during the game. That would never factor in to the equation, would it?

For those of you who find it very easy to complain about the officials, let me ask you a question. Have you ever officiated any sport? Have you ever been out on the field and made those decisions? Have you done it at any level at all? If you haven't, then I guess you fall into the category of "it's easier to sit back and complain than do something." If you know so much more than the officials out there, if you just know that you can go out on that field and do so much better than those who put on stripes, or blue, or whatever the uniform, then step on up and do it. I don't care what level or what sport, I know there is always a shortage of officials. So, don't just sit in the stands and talk a game, yell insults, and assume someone is cheating, get on the field and perform. Then again, that would require some of you to make an effort and that would be just too much of a challenge!!

I have known guys and gals who have busted their humps for years to stay active in sports that they love only to have ill informed "fans" yell at them, curse them, question their integrity, and assault them. Go on...give it a shot if you are so much better. Ok, I will get off my soap box now.

[smith]

amen warhawk

[Spartan8508]

And of course people's responses about how good or bad the officials were or how bad they screwed up a call is not at all influenced by who they are cheering for or how there team did during the game. That would never factor in to the equation, would it?

For those of you who find it very easy to complain about the officials, let me ask you a question. Have you ever officiated any sport? Have you ever been out on the field and made those decisions? Have you done it at any level at all? If you haven't, then I guess you fall into the category of "it's easier to sit back and complain than do something." If you know so much more than the officials out there, if you just know that you can go out on that field and do so much better than those who put on stripes, or blue, or whatever the uniform, then step on up and do it. I don't care what level or what sport, I know there is always a shortage of officials. So, don't just sit in the stands and talk a game, yell insults, and assume someone is cheating, get on the field and perform. Then again, that would require some of you to make an effort and that would be just too much of a challenge!!

I have known guys and gals who have busted their humps for years to stay active in sports that they love only to have ill informed "fans" yell at them, curse them, question their integrity, and assault them. Go on...give it a shot if you are so much better. Ok, I will get off my soap box now.


"He's on fireee!" :clap2:

[sportsguy71]

All the games on the peninsula side of the water are officiated by the same organization. The same crews work together for the most part during the entire season and are assigned games at random before the season starts. And to follow up the earlier post, it just is not easy to officiate, no matter what the sport or the level of play. How many of us sit in front of the tv watching college and pro games and disagree with calls, especially with the benefit of our HD televisions and replay after replay? Those college and pro guys get paid big money and for some at the highest levels it is their only job. Our high school referees are local guys with regular jobs that referee because they like doing it and to make a few extra dollars on the side.

Ask the football, basketball, and baseball (and even soccer, field hockey, volleyball, etc.) official's organization what the biggest problem for them today and you will hear them all say there are no young people coming up the ranks in refereeing. There are fewer and fewer adults following the older more experienced officials around to learn the trade and in and outs of the game. Well, these older guys (and gals) have to quit sometime, and I promise you if you think officiating is not so great now just wait 10 years. How many 20 or 30 something year olds want to go out and get yelled at by today's all knowing, smarter than the coach, loud mouth parents that have the manners of a spoiled teenager? And speaking of loud mouths, listen to how coaches talk to officials nowadays as well. It is an every week occurence for a coach with a losing lifetime record to spend half a game or more complaining to the referees while his/her team is getting crushed on the field. If these adults would spend more time actually learning how to coach and less time barking at officials over every little play maybe their teams would be more competitive and the athletes that play for them would actually learn something.

[WoHS Football]

all im saying is that if your going to be a REF know what your doing and make calls right it makes things harder for teams when they are not only playing against another team but the officials as well and thats what woodside went through saturday especially after they took the lead over bethel the officials job on the field is to make the game fair and it was not that way for that game

im not saying woodside would have won but the score would have been alot closer and possibly they would have won

not only on the punt that was called horribly there were 2 long bombs that bethel didnt catch but it was called pass interference on woodside which shouldnt have been that way

[GLYMONT]

Just a comment on some things I have noticed while in the stands.
1) Why do some officials run towards a spot, where the ball is downed, but look back to see where the chains are before they get there and then mark the ball behind the actual spot the ball was downed?

2) Many times the ball is spotted in front of a marked line and than at the last moment move the ball to the line. I'm not talking the length of a football either.

3) Also, it's nice to invite people to come out and see if they could do a better job, but the rookies know how the system works and it's like this in almost every board.

Last Friday night's game was one of the best officiated games I've witnessed in years. They let the players play and the crowd enjoyed the game. The comments heard coming down the stands from many of the Hampton fans were about how good the officiating was, not how bad it was.

[Warhawk]

all im saying is that if your going to be a REF know what your doing and make calls right it makes things harder for teams when they are not only playing against another team but the officials as well and thats what woodside went through saturday especially after they took the lead over bethel the officials job on the field is to make the game fair and it was not that way for that game

im not saying woodside would have won but the score would have been alot closer and possibly they would have won

not only on the punt that was called horribly there were 2 long bombs that bethel didnt catch but it was called pass interference on woodside which shouldnt have been that way
All you are saying is that you think you know better what happened sitting in the stands as opposed to the officials on the field who know what they are looking for and what is illegal and what is not. Revisit the first sentence of your post..."if you are going to be a REF know what you are doing".....please enlighten all of us on your vast officiating experience. Until you can regal the entire board with your expertise, experience, and rule knowledge, I will assume that you are a "'homer" who feels that every close call that goes against your team is a case of an incompetent or cheating official.

Again, if you are so much better or know the rules better than those guys who are suiting up, then get off your duff and get on down there and perform. Do that for a couple of years and then come back and tell us what you think is happening on the field.

[shamar88]

Let me ask you a question Warhawk. Were you at Saturdays game? Did you see the play and the calls that were in Question? It was apparent that the Bethel player touched the ball. He went back to run for it after it fell out of his hands!! Woodside picked it up and started to run with the ball. The refs ruled the ball Bethel's. The 2 pass interference calls were bad. The ball hit the Woodside player on the head and sailed past the Bethel player who would not have caught the ball and they called that pass interference. Now I understand what officials have to do and since my son plays sports and has for years we have dealt with all types of officials. It is hard for them to see everything, however the bad calls that were made were blatant

[CoachJE]

Calling out the refs or game officials is not good at all...especially during the course of the game. As a coach, if it seems as though all the calls are going against my team, I first instruct my players on the proper way, and if I disagree with a call, I don't ARGUE...I ask the Head Ref for clarification / explanation, and let him know my case.

Main reasons for not arguing a call / complaining about officiating during a game:

1.) They are NEVER going to change the call.

2.) The players feed off the coaching staff, and they then begin to complain, and loose focus on the task at hand, which is playing the opponent on the other side of the ball. They're concentrating more on playing against the officials than just doing their job.

3.) It magnifies the fans' negative excitement and they start blaming the officials, which in turn affects the players.

Now, don't get me wrong, officials are not perfect, and they will miss some things and misinterpret others, so I give them that benefit of doubt. Do I get upset? YES, but I cannot let it show because it will have a negative effect on my team, and on my decision making.

[WoHS Football]

All you are saying is that you think you know better what happened sitting in the stands as opposed to the officials on the field who know what they are looking for and what is illegal and what is not. Revisit the first sentence of your post..."if you are going to be a REF know what you are doing".....please enlighten all of us on your vast officiating experience. Until you can regal the entire board with your expertise, experience, and rule knowledge, I will assume that you are a "'homer" who feels that every close call that goes against your team is a case of an incompetent or cheating official.

Again, if you are so much better or know the rules better than those guys who are suiting up, then get off your duff and get on down there and perform. Do that for a couple of years and then come back and tell us what you think is happening on the field.


yes i obviously do know what happened better or maybe its just i have eyes and the officials dont everyone at the game even Cooperwood who touched the ball knew it was woodsides ball or he wouldnt have been running after it trying to recover his FUMBLE

the 2 interference calls yes i saw better than the officials #10 matt young of woodside did not touch bethels reciever the ball hit young in the back of the helmet and last time i checked the defensive player has just as much right to the ball as the reciever as long as he does not touch the reciever and young did not do so.....the other interference call the ball was thrown way over the recivers head and even out of bounds and flags were flying everywhere once again i did not see any contact with the players and even if there was there is another rule that overrules pass interferece call AN UNCATCHABLE BALL, you cant complete a pass thrown out of bounds therefore its an uncatchable ball

WARHAWK since you think im a "homer" im thinking you must be one of the blind officials that called that game

[WoodsideMom]

I wasn't going to comment on Saturday's game..............after reading Warhawk's seemingly very angry posts and Sportsguy 71's insulting comments about loudmouth parents, I changed my mind. Yes, my kids go to Woodside, and yes, I am biased towards Woodside- but after being at the game and seeing the plays and calls that are in question here, it's obvious that the officials either maybe didn't see the Bethel player touch the ball or they were favoring Bethel. The play in question happened right in front of the visitors side of the stands and just about everybody in the stands was saying the same thing. We all saw the same thing-the Bethel player did indeed touch the ball before the Woodside player picked it up and started to run. And not all parents are "loud mouths with the manners of a spoiled teenager". But when there's a call as blatantly bad as that one, yes, people are going to complain. In fact, my friend and her husband from out of town were with me at the game and her husband asked me who was paying off the refs after that call. That's sad. When I read what shamar88 had to say, I thought what he said about the ball bouncing off the Woodside player's head and was called interference was kind of funny considering I didn't see that happen, but my husband and son did and they said the same thing shamar88 did. So come on Warhawk and sportsguy71, before you get all defensive and start insulting people, consider that maybe the refs really did make a crummy call and hopfully it won't happen again.

[WoodsideMom]

After reading what WoHS Football just posted, I have to say I've heard other people saying the same thing.

[Spartan8508]

Woodside has dropped three games, all in convincing fashion (according to the scoreboard). Even if you spot Woodside 14 points, they still lose to Bethel.. Not to be a pain, but save the ref arguments (which EVERY TEAM in EVERY STATE in pretty much EVERY SPORT that is referee'd has) for games that can be decided by a call or two. :rain:

[WoHS Football]

well no if that fumble would have been called right the score would be 35-21 for woodside the 2 long bomb interference calls put the bruins within the 30 yrd line leading to a score both times that could have been 14 points not scored by the bruins and if woodside didnt even score the rest of the game bethel still would have won but it would have been 36-35 alot closer game and if the refs didnt crush woodsides momentum they could have scored again winning them the game so 3 bad calls came up huge in bethels win

[CoachJE]

:nerd: RULE CLARIFICATION:

A muffed punt cannot be advanced.

So, even if Woodside had been awarded the ball the touchdown would not have been the result of the play. They would have gotten the ball where it was recovered, and then there's a lot of hypothetical stuff going on...

[shamar88]

This was not a muffed punt. It was kicked off after woodside scored a touchdown and Bethel was the recieving team. They dropped the ball. It was considered live, Woodside Picked it up and started to run and was wide open for the touchdown.

[WoHS Football]

it was not a muffed punt its not like there was a pile up for the ball or woodsides player and to fall on the ball and got up he got it on a bounce after bethel touched it and ran for a touchdown it should have been ruled a FUMBLE and a woodside touchdown

but even so if it didnt advance for the touchdown it would have been a turnover that cost bethel a score and would have put woodside within 15yrds of scoring so that probably would still have led to a woodside 7 points

[WoHS Football]

This was not a muffed punt. It was kicked off after woodside scored a touchdown and Bethel was the recieving team. They dropped the ball. It was considered live, Woodside Picked it up and started to run and was wide open for the touchdown.


im glad to see i wasnt the only one with working eyes at the game

and am i not right that those 3 calls were huge and COULD have cost bethel the game?

[shamar88]

You are correct.

[WoHS Football]

thank you very much

[BethelFan]

Get over it….the game is over!!!! Get ready for your next opponent. Remember Bethel scored 50 points, so it would not have made a difference.

[GLYMONT]

I GUESS WE ALL CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE..........:argue:

[WoHS Football]

this isnt just about the woodside bethel game BETHELFAN its about officials calling games fairly all over the PD i was just using that game as an example because it was the best example to use just because there were so many bad calls

[smith]

Face guarding on defense in High School is pass interference. Also, there is no such thing as an uncatchable ball in High School football, so that would be pass interference. Once again as mentioned throughout this post KNOW THE RULES BEFORE PRESENTING YOUR CASE AS AN EXPERT. Too many times people believe the rules on college and the pro level are the same as high school, they are not.

[smith]

Any kick is still a kick until it is clearly possessed. If it is merely touched it is still a kick and cannot be advanced by the kickers if they recover it. Again read the rules before you post your all knowing answers.

[Warhawk]

I wasn't going to comment on Saturday's game..............after reading Warhawk's seemingly very angry posts and Sportsguy 71's insulting comments about loudmouth parents, I changed my mind. Yes, my kids go to Woodside, and yes, I am biased towards Woodside- but after being at the game and seeing the plays and calls that are in question here, it's obvious that the officials either maybe didn't see the Bethel player touch the ball or they were favoring Bethel. The play in question happened right in front of the visitors side of the stands and just about everybody in the stands was saying the same thing. We all saw the same thing-the Bethel player did indeed touch the ball before the Woodside player picked it up and started to run. And not all parents are "loud mouths with the manners of a spoiled teenager". But when there's a call as blatantly bad as that one, yes, people are going to complain. In fact, my friend and her husband from out of town were with me at the game and her husband asked me who was paying off the refs after that call. That's sad. When I read what shamar88 had to say, I thought what he said about the ball bouncing off the Woodside player's head and was called interference was kind of funny considering I didn't see that happen, but my husband and son did and they said the same thing shamar88 did. So come on Warhawk and sportsguy71, before you get all defensive and start insulting people, consider that maybe the refs really did make a crummy call and hopfully it won't happen again.
I wasn't insulting people and that was not my intention. My intention was to call out one certain person, and perhaps some others, who's first reaction is to complain about how the officials cost them the game and how officials cheat. My point is that most folks who say things like that tend to not know the rules and watch the game through the prism of their team's colors. When things don't go their way, an excuse or a scapegoat has to be found, and more times than not, it has to be the officials, because we all know that they walk out on that field with an agenda (sarcasm there).

Finally, those of you who think officials are nothing but corrupt, incompetent, and paid off, should pick your favorite sport and join the local association. Whatever the sport, they all need new officials. Go ahead, make the meetings, study the rule book, work the scrimmages, take the tests, get off early and work the JV games, and step out of the field and have the fans cuss you, yell at you, and talk about how you cheat and are blind and are incompetent.

Same goes for you who sit up ;in the stands and run down the coaching staff, teachers who are paid some small stipend to coach.

[shamar88]

Any kick is still a kick until it is clearly possessed. If it is merely touched it is still a kick and cannot be advanced by the kickers if they recover it. Again read the rules before you post your all knowing answers.

It was clearly possessed. He dropped it and went to go get it agian. if you were not at the game, then you do not know what happened. The fans are not making this up, so please before you start being sarcastic and condesending read all of this post. I know enough about football to know a bad call from a bad call!!!

[shamar88]

I wasn't insulting people and that was not my intention. My intention was to call out one certain person, and perhaps some others, who's first reaction is to complain about how the officials cost them the game and how officials cheat. My point is that most folks who say things like that tend to not know the rules and watch the game through the prism of their team's colors. When things don't go their way, an excuse or a scapegoat has to be found, and more times than not, it has to be the officials, because we all know that they walk out on that field with an agenda (sarcasm there).

Finally, those of you who think officials are nothing but corrupt, incompetent, and paid off, should pick your favorite sport and join the local association. Whatever the sport, they all need new officials. Go ahead, make the meetings, study the rule book, work the scrimmages, take the tests, get off early and work the JV games, and step out of the field and have the fans cuss you, yell at you, and talk about how you cheat and are blind and are incompetent.

Same goes for you who sit up ;in the stands and run down the coaching staff, teachers who are paid some small stipend to coach.

I understand what you are saying warhawk, however as an active parent in all the sports that my son's play and have played, I have gotten to know some of the officials. The majority of them are good and no they cannot see everything, You still have the officials that may be friendly with the coach or some of the players parents. They can be a little one sided and "ignore" something or make favorable calls for that team. i have not seen it a lot in football, it is more apparent in basketball, but it does exist. I have always said let the kids decide the winner of the game, not bad calls by the officials. And trust me, my son has been on teams that bad calls were made agianst the other team and I voiced my opinion there. Remember when Woodside played Keoughtan and the Daily press pointed out some questionable calls that were agianst Keoughtan(offensive pass interference). So please don't think that we are looking for a scapegoat for losing a game. Bethel came to win and had momentum on their side. Woodside was outplayed in the 4th quarter.

[PDFan1]

Woodside players, parents, and fans are all just making excuses of why they LOSS!!! They thought they had the game by scoring 1st... But in the end the better team prevails lol!!

[Spartan8508]

Woodside players, parents, and fans are all just making excuses of why they LOSS!!! They thought they had the game by scoring 1st... But in the end the better team prevails lol!!

Lost... not loss.. No need to rub it in their faces, and how do you know woodside players are making excuses? Are they posting on this forum? I thought this board was mostly fans/alumni/and a few coaches, etc littered in.. ;)

Also, the better team does not ALWAYS prevail.. The most determined and focused team does.. Culpeper vs Hampton 1999.. Kecoughtan in their state Championship in 1997.. etc

[whsoutfielder]

1 call can help decide the outcome of a game. If indeed the refs would have not made that call, it would have gave the wolverines good field position. I mean if they would have went up 35-21 that game would have been over, no matter what bethels Qb did, thats a huge deficit to over come in a high school football team.
Ill just say bethel got away with 1 there and took that play to their advantage, it happens.

[BethelFan]

1 call can help decide the outcome of a game. If indeed the refs would have not made that call, it would have gave the wolverines good field position. I mean if they would have went up 35-21 that game would have been over, no matter what bethels Qb did, thats a huge deficit to over come in a high school football team.
Ill just say bethel got away with 1 there and took that play to their advantage, it happens.

You are right it would have given them good field position but who to say that they would have scored a touchdown......Bethel scored 50 points. Game over!!

[twiceasnice757]

come on now let's be real..for you to say if woodside went up 35-21 the game would have been over is ridiculous..lets remember, bethel went on to score 30 unanswered points, so a 14 point deficit is nothing

[BHScf90]

Excuses excuses, most of the Newport News teams play so poorly, It's ashame that we even have to host the game and put all the extra wear on the field.:tongue:

[J-Bird]

Why do all your schools have to be such BABIES!!!!!!!

A good team can win despite whatever the refs are calling.
Today the refs clearly were against Jamestown and called back 2 Touchdowns in the SAME DRIVE. and we still won!!!!!!!!!!

[WoodsideMom]

BHScf90---grow up.:focus: