D.Squires.... Phoebus.... & Answers....

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

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[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

The question was, does feebus prefer to win a state championshp or would they rather beat the Crab? The answer Mr. Squires has since changed.


I'm not going to say too much...... but all feebus can say about this season is, "We beat HAMPTON twice"!!!

The only thing that will be remembered about the '07 season is HAMPTON x 2!!




P.S. When you're from a 'Program", then you now understand that when you don't bring home a Championship you will defined as a loosing squad!!!

This definition will come from the other members of the "Program".

[phantom_aggie]

hey... Yes, we lost... NO, we are not satisfied with beating Hampton. WE EXPECT to beat HAMPTON!

[CoachA10]

The 2007 Crabbers are not losers.

[FEAR DA PHANTOMS]

The question was, does feebus prefer to win a state championshp or would they rather beat the Crab? The answer Mr. Squires has since changed.


I'm not going to say too much...... but all feebus can say about this season is, "We beat HAMPTON twice"!!!

The only thing that will be remembered about the '07 season is HAMPTON x 2!!




P.S. When you're from a 'Program", then you now understand that when you don't bring home a Championship you will defined as a loosing squad!!!

This definition will come from the other members of the "Program".

I tell u crabgirls. why are u hateing. for your information we can say more than we beat you all twice. we are the PD and the ER champions. what is hampton?

[sixerfan885]

I tell u crabgirls. why are u hateing. for your information we can say more than we beat you all twice. we are the PD and the ER champions. what is hampton?


what is hampton? eh lets see, i think its something like 17 state championships, is that enough?

[Krazed_Phantom]

17 state champions in how many years.... Hampton is about 110 years old or close to it. Phoebus is only 30 years old.... Just because Hampton won a state championship with leather helmets dont hate. :mad:

By the way, how is a CRAB your mascot when a CRABBER is someone who hunts CRABS? Shouldn't your mascot be a old man wearing a rubber suit with crab nets hanging of him. :second:

:lol:
Crab´ber (kr?b´b?r)

n.1.One who catches crabs.
:lol:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Crabber

[blue and gold phan]

what is hampton? eh lets see, i think its something like 17 state championships, is that enough?


that was a different squad, what about the present?

[Warwick Fan]

I have never seen so many cry babies in my life. Most of you don't realize that we are from the same city. I can remember when Bethel was Hampton's main rivalry for years until their program went south. Until this year, Glad to see they are coming back. Now Phoebus has a program to talk about and with good reason. But because Hampton's Football team lost 2 games this year to a very good Phoebus team does this give you guys the right to hammer Hampton? 17 state titles yes but I believe at least 12 of them were in the last 25 years. Not to mention the games they lost in the state finals. So many Eastern Regional Championships you lose count. So lets be straight on one thing, Pheobus has a very good program right now and everyone should be happy about it. Hampton will be back, They always have. ( at least until Mike Smith retires) If you compare the last 30 years sense Phoebus was built against the last 30 years at Hampton, "NO COMPARISON" Now that is a "PROGRAM" Something the Phoebus Team is working to accomplish.
We need to stop all the trash talking on here and get back to chatting about how good a program that our teams have now or will have in the future.

[FEAR DA PHANTOMS]

what is hampton? eh lets see, i think its something like 17 state championships, is that enough?

why do crabgirls always talk about the past? what has hampton done lately? we all know they have 17 championships but who cares thats old. hampton sometimes u have to face reality, and the reality is its not about hampton anymore its all about phoebus. the tables have reverse. just like everybody wanted to play for hampton, now its phoebus. phoebus is on top now. maybe hampton will be in like 2020.

[PD Guy]

I have never seen so many cry babies in my life. Most of you don't realize that we are from the same city. I can remember when Bethel was Hampton's main rivalry for years until their program went south. Until this year, Glad to see they are coming back. Now Phoebus has a program to talk about and with good reason. But because Hampton's Football team lost 2 games this year to a very good Phoebus team does this give you guys the right to hammer Hampton? 17 state titles yes but I believe at least 12 of them were in the last 25 years. Not to mention the games they lost in the state finals. So many Eastern Regional Championships you lose count. So lets be straight on one thing, Pheobus has a very good program right now and everyone should be happy about it. Hampton will be back, They always have. ( at least until Mike Smith retires) If you compare the last 30 years sense Phoebus was built against the last 30 years at Hampton, "NO COMPARISON" Now that is a "PROGRAM" Something the Phoebus Team is working to accomplish.
We need to stop all the trash talking on here and get back to chatting about how good a program that our teams have now or will have in the future.

Very good point. Excellent point and very valid. However, you have to understand that Phoebus fans while passionate about their team are not very objective when it comes to other teams, especially Hampton. No matter how you slice that cake i.e. break down Hampton's dynasty versus Phoebus's dynasty, for some reason they view winning 3 Championships in 30 years as being greater than 17 state championships, numerous district titles and making the playoffs something 34 out of the last 37 years.

[PD Guy]

why do crabgirls always talk about the past? what has hampton done lately? we all know they have 17 championships but who cares thats old. hampton sometimes u have to face reality, and the reality is its not about hampton anymore its all about phoebus. the tables have reverse. just like everybody wanted to play for hampton, now its phoebus. phoebus is on top now. maybe hampton will be in like 2020.


You talk like the state championship Hampton won 3 seasons ago is like 200 years old. Yall won last year, we won the year before, neither Hampton nor Phoebus won this year. Simple and to the point. You guys just can't face the fact that Hampton is still relevant in the district, region and state when it comes to football. Open your ears and eyes, when you talk championships and contenders, you have to include Hampton as well as Phoebus.

[87Krabba]

The Phantoms talk about the past too. Hampton always comes back. In Coach Smith's 35 years Hampton has won 12 state titles, numerous ER and PD titles, and been nationally ranked several times. How many titles has Phoebus won in those years? Just because about 10 years ago Phoebus finally became a force to be reckoned with doesn't mean that it is all over for Hampton. Did a PD team play in the state final this year? No. That is the main thing that will be remembered for years to come. Hampton, Bethel, and Phoebus had great seasons. Many teams would love to have their records. None of them have any reason to hang their heads. Phoebus will always trash talk and hate on Hampton just like Bethel used to. That is what rivalries are about. Good sportsmanship also gives credit where credit is due. It is a shame that this site is filled with trash talking and whining. Thank you Warwick fan for agreeing, I know it isn't because you are a Crabber. :) The football season is over and anything can happen next year. I'm sure everyone in the PD would love to beat Hampton, Phoebus, or Bethel. We'll have to see what happens.

[phantom_aggie]

I have never seen so many cry babies in my life. Most of you don't realize that we are from the same city. I can remember when Bethel was Hampton's main rivalry for years until their program went south. Until this year, Glad to see they are coming back. Now Phoebus has a program to talk about and with good reason. But because Hampton's Football team lost 2 games this year to a very good Phoebus team does this give you guys the right to hammer Hampton? 17 state titles yes but I believe at least 12 of them were in the last 25 years. Not to mention the games they lost in the state finals. So many Eastern Regional Championships you lose count. So lets be straight on one thing, Pheobus has a very good program right now and everyone should be happy about it. Hampton will be back, They always have. ( at least until Mike Smith retires) If you compare the last 30 years sense Phoebus was built against the last 30 years at Hampton, "NO COMPARISON" Now that is a "PROGRAM" Something the Phoebus Team is working to accomplish.
We need to stop all the trash talking on here and get back to chatting about how good a program that our teams have now or will have in the future.

I am absolutely confused about this comment. It is a HAMPTON Crabber fan who started the post talking about WHY Phoebus lost over the weekend. That deserves a hammering by the Phoebus fans reminding them that they were dominated by us. Are you paying attention to the entire thread? We didn't start it, a Crabba fan started it. And if he wants to attempt to rub Saturday's game in our face, HE deserves to be reminded that the same Phoebus team that lost Saturday SMACKED around the 2007 edition of Hampton.

[Krazed_Phantom]

Talking about sore losers, wasn't it a HAMPTON team that lost a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP and started a fight after the game. It was a cold rainy day and those crabbas blamed everything but the other team for beating that a&%.

[FEAR DA PHANTOMS]

this is all im saying hampton is still a good team. its just phoebus football is on top now. whatever hampton fan post this was making it seem like phoebus didnt do anything but beat hampton this year. and that is not the case we are they PD and ER champions.

[GLYMONT]

I am absolutely confused about this comment. It is a HAMPTON Crabber fan who started the post talking about WHY Phoebus lost over the weekend. That deserves a hammering by the Phoebus fans reminding them that they were dominated by us. Are you paying attention to the entire thread? We didn't start it, a Crabba fan started it. And if he wants to attempt to rub Saturday's game in our face, HE deserves to be reminded that the same Phoebus team that lost Saturday SMACKED around the 2007 edition of Hampton.

You must consider the source phantom_aggie. Crabbers'D-Crew42 (http://hrvarsity.com/forums/member.php?u=1668) runs his mouth year-year-after-year. He started last year and fell off the planet at the end of the season. This year he made his promises on what Hampton was going to do to Phoebus. He was wrong again. Phoebus didn't get to the big dance this year, but they will get another opportunity next year, and yes Hampton will drop the regular season match-up and the regional if they can advance.

Let the Crabber fans continue to talk about their 17 championships, most of them before Moses descended Mt. Sina.

Phoebus:rockon: is young and talented. Hampton is old and crumbling. Mike Smith is not going to save the evil empire.

Hampton's new song is, "Don't Dream It's Over", by Crowed House.:music::music:
:rip:

[phantom_aggie]

You must consider the source phantom_aggie. Crabbers'D-Crew42 (http://hrvarsity.com/forums/member.php?u=1668) runs his mouth year-year-after-year. He started last year and fell off the planet at the end of the season. This year he made his promises on what Hampton was going to do to Phoebus. He was wrong again. Phoebus didn't get to the big dance this year, but they will get another opportunity next year, and yes Hampton will drop the regular season match-up and the regional if they can advance.

Let the Crabber fans continue to talk about their 17 championships, most of them before Moses descended Mt. Sina.

Phoebus:rockon: is young and talented. Hampton is old and crumbling. Mike Smith is not going to save the evil empire.

Hampton's new song is, "Don't Dream It's Over", by Crowed House.:music::music:
:rip:


you are right... my bad.

[PD Guy]

I am absolutely confused about this comment. It is a HAMPTON Crabber fan who started the post talking about WHY Phoebus lost over the weekend. That deserves a hammering by the Phoebus fans reminding them that they were dominated by us. Are you paying attention to the entire thread? We didn't start it, a Crabba fan started it. And if he wants to attempt to rub Saturday's game in our face, HE deserves to be reminded that the same Phoebus team that lost Saturday SMACKED around the 2007 edition of Hampton.

It is so funny how you guys hammer on about beating Hampton and the season is still over. Do like the players do, let it go and get on with other things. You won and swept Hampton, congrats. Who cares now other than Phoebus fans?

[phantom_aggie]

It is so funny how you guys hammer on about beating Hampton and the season is still over. Do like the players do, let it go and get on with other things. You won and swept Hampton, congrats. Who cares now other than Phoebus fans?


Once again... We are not the ones who brought this up.. it was a hampton fan. we just reminded him that you can't talk.

[GLYMONT]

It is so funny how you guys hammer on about beating Hampton and the season is still over. Do like the players do, let it go and get on with other things. You won and swept Hampton, congrats. Who cares now other than Phoebus fans?

Then, why do you continue to get into the thread? Appears your the one that can't let go. Move on....start your own thread......find a Hampton thread.....call the coach.....file a complaint.............YGTP.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[krabbakrusha]

It is so funny how you guys hammer on about beating Hampton and the season is still over. Do like the players do, let it go and get on with other things. You won and swept Hampton, congrats. Who cares now other than Phoebus fans?

I agree that Phoebus fans need to let go of the Hampton thing. After all, the new rivalry should be between Phoebus and Bethel, they are the top two teams in the district now.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

All I'm trying to do is get you feebus fans to understand what comes with being considered a "Program"!!!


This is the part you can't handle...... "you are only as good as your last game"!!!

You Lost!!!!!

So that drops you right back to what you know best....

Hey don't feel too bad because the '07 HAMPTON team will be remembered as unsuccessful and will not go down in the history books of winning seasons. This year's squad goes down in the history books as a loosing season.

A "Program" only produce winning seasons if they win a State Championship!!

So to the guy who said Hampton had a good season, probably hasn't been a part of a program.

Glymont.... you must be mistaken because I don't remember making you a promise. But since you brought me up... hey I see you have HAMPTON as the main focus of your discussions too. This year HAMPTON will be your main topic to reminisce about and I see that you already started talking about next year and HAMPTON seems to be your area of interest there too.

It's ok and I wish feebus well.

But right now, they sit where all the loosers sit, in the loosing column.

You ask about the NOW... this is the NOW.

You are only as good as your last game!!!!

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

this is all im saying hampton is still a good team. its just phoebus football is on top now. whatever hampton fan post this was making it seem like phoebus didnt do anything but beat hampton this year. and that is not the case we are they PD and ER champions.


see this is what I'm talking about... this young fella believes that feebus is a winner when the last thing feebus did was lose.

I'm not trying to make it seem like feebus didn't do anything but beat Hampton this year.... All I'm saying is years from now and when talking about the feebus 2007 football season, history will only speak of feebus beating Hampton twice.

Hampton will have to highlight your conversation. Hampton will be the only thing worth mentioning.

It's just like when you are talking to someone not from here and you try to explain where feebus high school is. .... "you know, where the HAMPTON High is".

Don't misunderstand me please.... I want feebus to have a PROGRAM. I also want feebus to know how success is measured in a Program.

Today I want feebus to know that they are not yet a Program and the only tool available for feebus to use to measure their success is "DA CRAB"!!!

[krabbakrusha]

see this is what I'm talking about... this young fella believes that feebus is a winner when the last thing feebus did was lose.

I'm not trying to make it seem like feebus didn't do anything but beat Hampton this year.... All I'm saying is years from now and when talking about the feebus 2007 football season, history will only speak of feebus beating Hampton twice.

Hampton will have to highlight your conversation. Hampton will be the only thing worth mentioning.

It's just like when you are talking to someone not from here and you try to explain where feebus high school is. .... "you know, where the HAMPTON High is".

Don't misunderstand me please.... I want feebus to have a PROGRAM. I also want feebus to know how success is measured in a Program.

Today I want feebus to know that they are not yet a Program and the only tool available for feebus to use to measure their success is "DA CRAB"!!!

I agree with D-Crews, there is no reason why any Phoebus fan would brag about beating the third place Peninsula team. You don't hear Salem talking about beating Ocean Lakes or Oscar Smith talking about beating Great Bridge.

Now, that win over Bethel was something...

[phantom_aggie]

All I'm trying to do is get you feebus fans to understand what comes with being considered a "Program"!!!


This is the part you can't handle...... "you are only as good as your last game"!!!

You Lost!!!!!

So that drops you right back to what you know best....

Hey don't feel too bad because the '07 HAMPTON team will be remembered as unsuccessful and will not go down in the history books of winning seasons. This year's squad goes down in the history books as a loosing season.

A "Program" only produce winning seasons if they win a State Championship!!

So to the guy who said Hampton had a good season, probably hasn't been a part of a program.

Glymont.... you must be mistaken because I don't remember making you a promise. But since you brought me up... hey I see you have HAMPTON as the main focus of your discussions too. This year HAMPTON will be your main topic to reminisce about and I see that you already started talking about next year and HAMPTON seems to be your area of interest there too.

It's ok and I wish feebus well.

But right now, they sit where all the loosers sit, in the loosing column.

You ask about the NOW... this is the NOW.

You are only as good as your last game!!!!


Okay.. you are correct...

and Hampton's last game.... smacked around by Phoebus 26-7.
:lol::lol:

[AC_Vikings]

Pheobus fans you had a good year yes you beat Hampton twice yes you had a good year leave it alone its over focus on next year I'm not from Hampton but I do believe Hampton Beat this team before so chill out and wait til next year ok!

[phantom_aggie]

Pheobus fans you had a good year yes you beat Hampton twice yes you had a good year leave it alone its over focus on next year I'm not from Hampton but I do believe Hampton Beat this team before so chill out and wait til next year ok!


We are not the people bringing up the games.. it is the crabbers who started it by talking about the lost.. So we have to remind them of the outcome.... 46-6..:lol:

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

We are not the people bringing up the games.. it is the crabbers who started it by talking about the lost.. So we have to remind them of the outcome.... 46-6..:lol:


You did pretty good this year for 13 games but, you needed 15 to reach your goal..... you didn't get it...... so your season ended in failure!!!!


We failed too and it's not at all acceptable @ the Program. We know that already.... we have nothing to brag about... and we certainly can't chalk this up as a successful season @ the Program!!



You were a winner until you lost!!!

[CoachA10]

Failure?

Both teams went to the post season, one won district and regional championships from a district that sent six teams to the post season.

I doubt either coach would describe the season as a failure. Disappointing maybe, but not a failure.

[phantom_aggie]

You did pretty good this year for 13 games but, you needed 15 to reach your goal..... you didn't get it...... so your season ended in failure!!!!


We failed too and it's not at all acceptable @ the Program. We know that already.... we have nothing to brag about... and we certainly can't chalk this up as a successful season @ the Program!!



You were a winner until you lost!!!


Yes, we did not reach our goal... you are correct...


Next year... you, and the rest of the state will feel

The Wrath of the PHANTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!

:laser:

[GLYMONT]

Yes, we did not reach our goal... you are correct...


Next year... you, and the rest of the state will feel

The Wrath of the PHANTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!

:laser:



Yes, it does look like another sad year for "the program" on Queen Street. The question is will Hampton play Phoebus twice? Can Hampton advance again to the finals? Looks bleak through 2009.

[GLYMONT]

see this is what I'm talking about... this young fella believes that feebus is a winner when the last thing feebus did was lose.

I'm not trying to make it seem like feebus didn't do anything but beat Hampton this year.... All I'm saying is years from now and when talking about the feebus 2007 football season, history will only speak of feebus beating Hampton twice.

Hampton will have to highlight your conversation. Hampton will be the only thing worth mentioning.

It's just like when you are talking to someone not from here and you try to explain where feebus high school is. .... "you know, where the HAMPTON High is".

Don't misunderstand me please.... I want feebus to have a PROGRAM. I also want feebus to know how success is measured in a Program.

Today I want feebus to know that they are not yet a Program and the only tool available for feebus to use to measure their success is "DA CRAB"!!!

Phoebus has the best won-loss record in the PD this decade. Duh Pogam on Queenoe Street is in denial. Crabbers'D-Crew4, you need to look-up the word Program.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

No I don't... I'm not talking about just any program....

I speak in particular of "THE PROGRAM"!!!! and you know exactly what I'm talking about because you fantums refer to it all the time.

I love feebus and their fight to be recognized. We will recognize you only when you win. You see the period after the word win. That's because you won't get congratulated or recognize when there is a loss after your last win. Please don't misunderstand me.... Mommy..., uncle Bootsie, aunt Gerald and all them..., see they still supposed to say all the correct things. "You did good" and " "you're # 1". But, come on now........ If you're a real Champion then you know that your last contest wasn't of championship caliber. And even that would be okay if you still ended up with the win... but you ended up with a LOSS which is defined by CHAMPIONS as a LOSER.


P.S. we can talk about next season after you realize you're a loser...

The Program defines Hampton High's 2007 season as unsuccessful;(loser) They can't be compared to the best of nothing!

That's the bottom line!!!!

[GLYMONT]

No I don't... I'm not talking about just any program....

I speak in particular of "THE PROGRAM"!!!! and you know exactly what I'm talking about because you fantums refer to it all the time.

I love feebus and their fight to be recognized. We will recognize you only when you win. You see the period after the word win. That's because you won't get congratulated or recognize when there is a loss after your last win. Please don't misunderstand me.... Mommy..., uncle Bootsie, aunt Gerald and all them..., see they still supposed to say all the correct things. "You did good" and " "you're # 1". But, come on now........ If you're a real Champion then you know that your last contest wasn't of championship caliber. And even that would be okay if you still ended up with the win... but you ended up with a LOSS which is defined by CHAMPIONS as a LOSER.


P.S. we can talk about next season after you realize you're a loser...

The Program defines Hampton High's 2007 season as unsuccessful;(loser) They can't be compared to the best of nothing!

That's the bottom line!!!!

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS OF THE PD.......FACT.........and you and your, duh, program have been reduced to rec-league status for the next few years. The Hanton Craburs have been reduced to the size of a pea crab.

No pun intended, but I think Boyd will pick you apart again next year.:lol::lol::lol:

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

I'm not mad @ you for saying any of that. You're even accurate in your facts.

I am just explaining the mind set that The Program takes.

Here's another example you provided for me......
You were correct in saying, you're the champions of the PD.... but you must understand that the champions of the PD are losers in 2007!!!!!

You can go back to last year when you lost to the champions of the PD(da Crab), then you ended up with a win @ the end of the year. You were considered a champion then. But not this time because your results were different.

Even though last year you didn't feel like a champion because of that lost to the Champions of the PD(HAMPTON), you were still considered the Champions.

My wife is from Niagara Falls, NY. She loves the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills went to the Super Bowl four(4) yrs in a row. They lost every single year. Were they considered champions........? NO!!!

This year you are not the Champion. You are a LOSER!!!

[Crabber#9]

When people talk about football in the Hampton Roads area the first high school they look for is Hampton High. No matter what state I go to when they ask me where I am from the first thing the ask after I say hampton is DID YOU GO TO HAMPTON HIGH

Just being real man. You guys are having a good decade yes. But when you talk trash of course people are going to bring up the past. that's just how it goes. When you compare great players, someone always brings up players from the past.

You can never compare Hampton and Phoebus.

[krabbakrusha]

I'm not mad @ you for saying any of that. You're even accurate in your facts.

I am just explaining the mind set that The Program takes.

Here's another example you provided for me......
You were correct in saying, you're the champions of the PD.... but you must understand that the champions of the PD are losers in 2007!!!!!

You can go back to last year when you lost to the champions of the PD(da Crab), then you ended up with a win @ the end of the year. You were considered a champion then. But not this time because your results were different.

Even though last year you didn't feel like a champion because of that lost to the Champions of the PD(HAMPTON), you were still considered the Champions.

My wife is from Niagara Falls, NY. She loves the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills went to the Super Bowl four(4) yrs in a row. They lost every single year. Were they considered champions........? NO!!!

This year you are not the Champion. You are a LOSER!!!

Ever hear the story about the 400-lb. man who spends his time telling 250 pounders that they are overweight?

[GLYMONT]

When people talk about football in the Hampton Roads area the first high school they look for is Hampton High. No matter what state I go to when they ask me where I am from the first thing the ask after I say hampton is DID YOU GO TO HAMPTON HIGH

Just being real man. You guys are having a good decade yes. But when you talk trash of course people are going to bring up the past. that's just how it goes. When you compare great players, someone always brings up players from the past.

You can never compare Hampton and Phoebus.

You said it yourself......"having a great decade"...... People in this state and outside this state know the name Phoebus and lately, the Crabbers are getting to know them pretty well........ from behind.

1. Phoebus
2. Bethel
3. Hampton ........ keep looking up baby. You might be in second place next year.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Vergil Richardson]

No I don't... I'm not talking about just any program....

I speak in particular of "THE PROGRAM"!!!! and you know exactly what I'm talking about because you fantums refer to it all the time.

I love feebus and their fight to be recognized. We will recognize you only when you win. You see the period after the word win. That's because you won't get congratulated or recognize when there is a loss after your last win. Please don't misunderstand me.... Mommy..., uncle Bootsie, aunt Gerald and all them..., see they still supposed to say all the correct things. "You did good" and " "you're # 1". But, come on now........ If you're a real Champion then you know that your last contest wasn't of championship caliber. And even that would be okay if you still ended up with the win... but you ended up with a LOSS which is defined by CHAMPIONS as a LOSER.


P.S. we can talk about next season after you realize you're a loser...

The Program defines Hampton High's 2007 season as unsuccessful;(loser) They can't be compared to the best of nothing!

That's the bottom line!!!!

Can't be considered a program if you loose to a loser twice in one season...eat those apples...forget the fact that you have a program..because that once was...the NEW WORLD ORDER has been created on 100 Ireland st.

[Vergil Richardson]

When people talk about football in the Hampton Roads area the first high school they look for is Hampton High. No matter what state I go to when they ask me where I am from the first thing the ask after I say hampton is DID YOU GO TO HAMPTON HIGH

Just being real man. You guys are having a good decade yes. But when you talk trash of course people are going to bring up the past. that's just how it goes. When you compare great players, someone always brings up players from the past.

You can never compare Hampton and Phoebus.

I bet most of those people that ask you about Hampton outside of the area are 35 + years old...ask the 20 something and see what kind of response you get...you are probably speaking to people that haven't recognized the way things are now and have been for a while now..you Hampton people need to move over and understand that this plateau is reserved for Phoebus and it once was Hamptons...I give you that much...talk to me in the next 10 years and we will really see how the power has really shifted...Coach Dee will run Coach smith into retirement...

[GLYMONT]

I'm not mad @ you for saying any of that. You're even accurate in your facts.

I am just explaining the mind set that The Program takes.

Here's another example you provided for me......
You were correct in saying, you're the champions of the PD.... but you must understand that the champions of the PD are losers in 2007!!!!!

You can go back to last year when you lost to the champions of the PD(da Crab), then you ended up with a win @ the end of the year. You were considered a champion then. But not this time because your results were different.

Even though last year you didn't feel like a champion because of that lost to the Champions of the PD(HAMPTON), you were still considered the Champions.

My wife is from Niagara Falls, NY. She loves the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills went to the Super Bowl four(4) yrs in a row. They lost every single year. Were they considered champions........? NO!!!

This year you are not the Champion. You are a LOSER!!!

WHO ARE THE PENINSULA DISTRICT CHAMPIONS?
WHO ARE THE EASTERN REGION CHAMPIONS?

WHO ARE THE PENINSULA DISTRICT LOSERS? .............KWABBERS
WHO ARE THE EASTERN REGION LOSERS?.....................KWABBERS

[Crabber#9]

WHO ARE THE PENINSULA DISTRICT CHAMPIONS?
WHO ARE THE EASTERN REGION CHAMPIONS?

WHO ARE THE PENINSULA DISTRICT LOSERS? .............KWABBERS
WHO ARE THE EASTERN REGION LOSERS?.....................KWABBERS

I thought the ultimate goal was to win state. Both schools didn't win state so both had failed seasons. When it comes down to it both schools were at home during the state championship game. By the way the people that ask me did I go to Hampton are in there 20s.**** I'm still in my 20s.

[Vergil Richardson]

I thought the ultimate goal was to win state. Both schools didn't win state so both had failed seasons. When it comes down to it both schools were at home during the state championship game. By the way the people that ask me did I go to Hampton are in there 20s.**** I'm still in my 20s.

So you mean to tell me that when you are outside the Hampton rds area...and lets just say someone from NC ask you about Hampton and Phoebus programs you would tell them that they both failed this year and didn't have a good season...I'm really finding that hard to believe

[Crabber#9]

So you mean to tell me that when you are outside the Hampton rds area...and lets just say someone from NC ask you about Hampton and Phoebus programs you would tell them that they both failed this year and didn't have a good season...I'm really finding that hard to believe

I don't believe in moral victories.

[Vergil Richardson]

I don't believe in moral victories.

no one mentioned moral victories here...I just asked you a simple question that you avoided

[Crabber#9]

no one mentioned moral victories here...I just asked you a simple question that you avoided
Yes its a failed season. When the kids from PHS lost to stone bridge they cried right. Why because they failed to win the state title. You can except being second or third best but a competiter will only want to be #1. IMO.

[Crabber#9]

By the way I was not avoiding your question. You just didn't understand my answer. Here's one for you. The Yankees make it to the post season every year but have not won a World Series title in the past couple of years. Ask any New Yorker are the past couple of seasons failures.

The Cleveland Cavs went to the finals last year and lost. Ask LeBron James did they fail or succeed.

If some one is happy just to get to the show and not win then they are excepting MORAL VICTORIES.. do that help:D

[Vergil Richardson]

By the way I was not avoiding your question. You just didn't understand my answer. Here's one for you. The Yankees make it to the post season every year but have not won a World Series title in the past couple of years. Ask any New Yorker are the past couple of seasons failures.

The Cleveland Cavs went to the finals last year and lost. Ask LeBron James did they fail or succeed.

If some one is happy just to get to the show and not win then they are excepting MORAL VICTORIES.. do that help:D

no it doesn't help...becaue you have to look at it on the other end of the spectrum...there is only one team that is going to win the last game...I think you are looking at this in a very arrogant Hampton High way...and really not being realistic. I would be willing to bet that no one agree with you....and everyone and there grandmother know Steinbrenner has unrealistic goals for the Yankees..thats why they just lost the best manager in the league...we just have a difference in opinion. When it all boils down...it's really not that serious...I think you have taken highschool football to another level....

[Crabber#9]

no it doesn't help...becaue you have to look at it on the other end of the spectrum...there is only one team that is going to win the last game...I think you are looking at this in a very arrogant Hampton High way...and really not being realistic. I would be willing to bet that no one agree with you....and everyone and there grandmother know Steinbrenner has unrealistic goals for the Yankees..thats why they just lost the best manager in the league...we just have a difference in opinion. When it all boils down...it's really not that serious...I think you have taken highschool football to another level....

Football is big business man. I still play and when we don't when championships its considered a failure. Coaches get fired all the time because they did not win the big game. That's the truth. I'm not being arrogant. I been in this business for 9 years now. Just getting to the post season is not good enough in this day and age.

I will ask you this, If you were an owner and your coach gets you to the post season every year for 10 years but never wins a championship. Then a big time winner like a Phil Jackson is available, you would not fire your coach and hire Phil Jackson??

[Vergil Richardson]

Football is big business man. I still play and when we don't when championships its considered a failure. Coaches get fired all the time because they did not win the big game. That's the truth. I'm not being arrogant. I been in this business for 9 years now. Just getting to the post season is not good enough in this day and age.

I will ask you this, If you were an owner and your coach gets you to the post season every year for 10 years but never wins a championship. Then a big time winner like a Phil Jackson is available, you would not fire your coach and hire Phil Jackson??

I agree with you on the professional level...but we are talking about highschool football here. These kids have academics to worry about as well...not to mention some of the living conditions some of these kids live in. So football could be one of the smaller fish to fry for some of these kids...but on the flip side football is the only way some of these kids are going to make it ... not saying NFL but getting a free education and being able to take advantage of it...who are you playing for now...I know I'm talking to someone that I know...and since you are still playing keep up the good work..

[Crabber#9]

I agree with you on the professional level...but we are talking about highschool football here. These kids have academics to worry about as well...not to mention some of the living conditions some of these kids live in. So football could be one of the smaller fish to fry for some of these kids...but on the flip side football is the only way some of these kids are going to make it ... not saying NFL but getting a free education and being able to take advantage of it...who are you playing for now...I know I'm talking to someone that I know...and since you are still playing keep up the good work..

I just always feel that when kids win State Championships they get noticed even more by colleges. It seems like every time you hear about big name recruits they talk about how many titles or what the teams win lose record was. It looks better for their resume because they are labled as winners.

That's the only reason I want these kids to not settle for just winning district and regional. I was hoping Phoebus would win state this year because it shows what type of talent we have in the area to go along with the living conditions.

I play in the AFL for the Grand Rapids Rampage. I listed the website in my sig.

[Vergil Richardson]

I just always feel that when kids win State Championships they get noticed even more by colleges. It seems like every time you hear about big name recruits they talk about how many titles or what the teams win lose record was. It looks better for their resume because they are labled as winners.

That's the only reason I want these kids to not settle for just winning district and regional. I was hoping Phoebus would win state this year because it shows what type of talent we have in the area to go along with the living conditions.

I play in the AFL for the Grand Rapids Rampage. I listed the website in my sig.

Man whats going on...you suppose to be in the league.....playing for Dallas...

[Crabber#9]

Man whats going on...you suppose to be in the league.....playing for Dallas...

it is what it is. i'm just thankful

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

I agree with you on the professional level...but we are talking about highschool football here. These kids have academics to worry about as well...not to mention some of the living conditions some of these kids live in. So football could be one of the smaller fish to fry for some of these kids...but on the flip side football is the only way some of these kids are going to make it ... not saying NFL but getting a free education and being able to take advantage of it...who are you playing for now...I know I'm talking to someone that I know...and since you are still playing keep up the good work..



Well Vergil, you know me too........ It's the mind set that I speak of...
and I wouldn't expect you to understand being you have acquired NO championships. This is not to brag or anything like that, it's just that I want you guys @ feebus to understand that it is one way or the other. Either you think like a program or you think like all the ordinary teams. I have championships.!! I know how they are accomplished.... I know what a championship team is supposed to look like... I know what they are supposed to walk like and what they supposed to talk like..... And the blue print seems to be the same. I have championships from rec league through college. (and I'm a Cowboy fan, lol)

I'm speaking about being affiliated with high school football for 8 yrs, playing and or coaching, and making it to the state championship all 8 yrs. Winning 6 and losing 2. I have college championships... playing and coaching. Div-II and Div-I AA. I have national championships (polls) in high school and college.

I gotta go....

[GLYMONT]

I thought the ultimate goal was to win state. Both schools didn't win state so both had failed seasons. When it comes down to it both schools were at home during the state championship game. By the way the people that ask me did I go to Hampton are in there 20s.**** I'm still in my 20s.

It is the ultimate goal (dream for many) of every team to win a state championship. But, you have the same problem as D-crew or 4 or 2, you don't know the definition of failure and success. You really don't know what your talking about.

[Crabber#9]

It is the ultimate goal (dream for many) of every team to win a state championship. But, you have the same problem as D-crew or 4 or 2, you don't know the definition of failure and success. You really don't know what your talking about.

Keep reading my other post after that. like my conversation with Virgil. then tell me again if i don't know what I am talking about.:cool:

[GLYMONT]

I don't believe in moral victories.

Moral victories don't exist.

[Crabber#9]

Moral victories don't exist.

I know they don't.. But people make moral victories all the time. for example, when the Eagle ALMOST beat the Patriots. Everyone was giving them credit, but at the end of the day they still lost. That's what I was trying to say. Look at Ohio State last season. The #1 team all year undefeated and then lose in the Championship game. To the alum that is considered a failed season because what was expected of them.

Same with Phoebus. They dominate every team all year and then lose in the State semi finals. In most people eyes they FAILED to win it all. They were SUPPOSED to win the District and Regional.

[GLYMONT]

Yes its a failed season. When the kids from PHS lost to stone bridge they cried right. Why because they failed to win the state title. You can except being second or third best but a competiter will only want to be #1. IMO.

You Crabur fans will do anything to demean teams that beat you. Phoebus did not have "a failed season". You talk like you don't know the difference between success and failure. Phoebus was the PD and ER CHAMPIONS. They had a great and successful season, regardless of the Stone Bridge loss.

Failure? Phoebus will show you failure, when you play them next year.

[Crabber#9]

You Crabur fans will do anything to demean teams that beat you. Phoebus did not have "a failed season". You talk like you don't know the difference between success and failure. Phoebus was the PD and ER CHAMPIONS. They had a great and successful season, regardless of the Stone Bridge loss.

Failure? Phoebus will show you failure, when you play them next year.

Believe me buddy I know the difference between Failure and Success.

Like I always said before I WANTED PHOEBUS TO WIN THE STATE IF HAMPTON HAD ALREADY LOST.. REPRESENT THE PD.

[GLYMONT]

By the way I was not avoiding your question. You just didn't understand my answer. Here's one for you. The Yankees make it to the post season every year but have not won a World Series title in the past couple of years. Ask any New Yorker are the past couple of seasons failures.

The Cleveland Cavs went to the finals last year and lost. Ask LeBron James did they fail or succeed.

If some one is happy just to get to the show and not win then they are excepting MORAL VICTORIES.. do that help:D

Crabur #9..... How can you even compare the Yankees to Cleveland. The Yankees have the most successful baseball franchise in history. YES, successful and if you ask LeBron James did they fail or succeed? He will tell you, as he did in SI, we had a successful season. AND, "I hate the term “moral victory” and as much as most athletes will tell you that only true wins count towards making the playoff."- Mike Ditka

[Vergil Richardson]

Well Vergil, you know me too........ It's the mind set that I speak of...
and I wouldn't expect you to understand being you have acquired NO championships. This is not to brag or anything like that, it's just that I want you guys @ feebus to understand that it is one way or the other. Either you think like a program or you think like all the ordinary teams. I have championships.!! I know how they are accomplished.... I know what a championship team is supposed to look like... I know what they are supposed to walk like and what they supposed to talk like..... And the blue print seems to be the same. I have championships from rec league through college. (and I'm a Cowboy fan, lol)

I'm speaking about being affiliated with high school football for 8 yrs, playing and or coaching, and making it to the state championship all 8 yrs. Winning 6 and losing 2. I have college championships... playing and coaching. Div-II and Div-I AA. I have national championships (polls) in high school and college.

I gotta go....

I may not no what it feels like to be a Champion...but I know how I prepared and how I played the game...and that was like a champion. It's just unfortunate that my first 2 years of varsity football was with a coach that wasn't capable of coaching a championship scheme.....I wouldn't think that a team like Phoebus, that won 20 straight games dating pass last years state title. Going underfeated in the pd, beating Hampton twice by a combined score of 40 points and all the other things that go into the season is in no way considered failure. This is either here or there...but I bet if you won 2 state titles and lost 6...I would find it hard to believe that you felt like a loser for 6 years...

[GLYMONT]

Football is big business man. I still play and when we don't when championships its considered a failure. Coaches get fired all the time because they did not win the big game. That's the truth. I'm not being arrogant. I been in this business for 9 years now. Just getting to the post season is not good enough in this day and age.

I will ask you this, If you were an owner and your coach gets you to the post season every year for 10 years but never wins a championship. Then a big time winner like a Phil Jackson is available, you would not fire your coach and hire Phil Jackson??

With that reasoning, coach Smith should have been fired for not winning the "big one" for the past two seasons.

Your trying to talk you way into something you know nothing about.

[Crabber#9]

Crabur #9..... How can you even compare the Yankees to Cleveland. The Yankees have trhe most successful baseball franchise in history. YES, successful and if you ask LeBron James did they fail or succeed? He will tell you, as he did in SI, we had a successful season. AND, "I hate the term “moral victory” and as much as most athletes will tell you that only true wins count towards making the playoff."- Mike Ditka

I never used the term MORAL VICTORY.. What are you talking about. I said I didn't believe in them.. LOL..

You don't understand anything I say buddy. Its waaaayyyyy over your head.. LeBron will say they had a successful season infront of a camera because that's the right thing to do. But a leader, like he is, will tell his teammates behing close doors that in reality they failed because he would be failing them if he accepted being second.

My thing is this, you can be happy about winning the PD and the Regional. I am happy for you guys. But I was always lived and still play by the motto, "Everyone remembers #1, no one remembers #2"

[Crabber#9]

With that reasoning, coach Smith should have been fired for not winning the "big one" for the past two seasons.

Your trying to talk you way into something you know nothing about.

I know nothing about??????:confused:

I'M IN THE BUSINESS right now!!!

[GLYMONT]

I know they don't.. But people make moral victories all the time. for example, when the Eagle ALMOST beat the Patriots. Everyone was giving them credit, but at the end of the day they still lost. That's what I was trying to say. Look at Ohio State last season. The #1 team all year undefeated and then lose in the Championship game. To the alum that is considered a failed season because what was expected of them.

Same with Phoebus. They dominate every team all year and then lose in the State semi finals. In most people eyes they FAILED to win it all. They were SUPPOSED to win the District and Regional.

Now your trying to split hairs. "In most peoples eyes they failed to win it all." - get real. Those that keep up with football, knows that Phoebus didn't win it all. It was obvious by the final score.

What happened to your winner vs loser philosophy?

[Crabber#9]

Now your trying to split hairs. "In most peoples eyes they failed to win it all." - get real. Those that keep up with football, knows that Phoebus didn't win it all. It was obvious by the final score.

What happened to your winner vs loser philosophy?


Are you getting me confused with someone else??

Check this out... When you hear a guy like Dan Marino talk what does he always say. He had a successful career in the eyes of many, but he would trade all the records he had for a Superbowl because that is the difference between being good and great.

Good is the enemy of great. Remember that.. Why is Hampton considered a great football program because of all the state championships.

why is Phoebus considered a great program this decade because of the State Championships.

When you win the District and Regional. You are Good
When you win State.. You are Great.

To an athlete good is considered failure, while great is considered success.

To you want to have a good career or a great career. There is nothing better than GREAT because GREAT=SUCCESS.

[GLYMONT]

I never used the term MORAL VICTORY.. What are you talking about. I said I didn't believe in them.. LOL..

You don't understand anything I say buddy. Its waaaayyyyy over your head.. LeBron will say they had a successful season infront of a camera because that's the right thing to do. But a leader, like he is, will tell his teammates behing close doors that in reality they failed because he would be failing them if he accepted being second.

My thing is this, you can be happy about winning the PD and the Regional. I am happy for you guys. But I was always lived and still play by the motto, "Everyone remembers #1, no one remembers #2"

You're not capable of speaking over my head. Further, you don't know LeBron James speaks his mind, he is not going to say something in front of the camera and say something different behind closed doors. LeBron has always accepted the blame for team losses. Again, you don't understand the meaning of success and failure.

[Crabber#9]

You're not capable of speaking over my head. Further, you don't know LeBron James speaks his mind, he is not going to say something in front of the camera and say something different behind closed doors. LeBron has always accepted the blame for team losses. Again, you don't understand the meaning of success and failure.


:lol: Believe what you want my man. This is a free country. :lol:

[Crabber#9]

. Further, you don't know LeBron James speaks his mind, he is not going to say something in front of the camera and say something different behind closed doors.


Have you ever been a pro athlete talking in front a camera before?? You ever heard the term politically correct?

[GLYMONT]

Are you getting me confused with someone else??

Check this out... When you hear a guy like Dan Marino talk what does he always say. He had a successful career in the eyes of many, but he would trade all the records he had for a Superbowl because that is the difference between being good and great.

Good is the enemy of great. Remember that.. Why is Hampton considered a great football program because of all the state championships.

why is Phoebus considered a great program this decade because of the State Championships.

When you win the District and Regional. You are Good
When you win State.. You are Great.

To an athlete good is considered failure, while great is considered success.

To you want to have a good career or a great career. There is nothing better than GREAT because GREAT=SUCCESS.

Here we go again with semantics, but you lose here too. Great is above average or normal. Success is the accomplishment of some aim or purpose. That does not transpose into Great=Success. Do you make these up as you go along?

You ever hear the often used phrase "we had some limited success"?

[Crabber#9]

Here we go again with semantics, but you lose here too. Great is above average or normal. Success is the accomplishment of some aim or purpose. That does not transpose into Great=Success. Do you make these up as you go along?

You ever hear the often used phrase "we had some limited success"?


Making this up?? This is what I have been taught by Hall Of Fame Coaches. IN high school Mike Smith. College George Welsh. NFL Dick Vermeil. AFL Mike Dailey. so I guess I am just using there made up words. My badd.

[GLYMONT]

I know nothing about??????:confused:

I'M IN THE BUSINESS right now!!!

Well how about this ........... should I consider you a failure because you play for the AFL for the Grand Rapids Rampage, instead of the NFL or AFC.

[GLYMONT]

Making this up?? This is what I have been taught by Hall Of Fame Coaches. IN high school Mike Smith. College George Welsh. NFL Dick Vermeil. AFL Mike Dailey. so I guess I am just using there made up words. My badd.

You can throw all the names you want, it is what it is ........ the formula doesn't make sense. Get you head in a book instead of having someone else use you for a puppet to mimic their skewed beliefs.

[Crabber#9]

You can throw all the names you want, it is what it is ........ the formula doesn't make sense. Get you head in a book instead of having someone else use you for a puppet to mimic their skewed beliefs.

Are you trying to insult me now. I'm a puppet?? They are my coaches, have you ever heard of buying into a system. That's what that means.

[GLYMONT]

. Further, you don't know LeBron James speaks his mind, he is not going to say something in front of the camera and say something different behind closed doors.


Have you ever been a pro athlete talking in front a camera before?? You ever heard the term politically correct?

That doesn't mean anything and you don't even understand politically correct. Look it up and stop trying to be someone your not. Remember you're #2, not #1.

[GLYMONT]

Are you trying to insult me now. I'm a puppet?? They are my coaches, have you ever heard of buying into a system. That's what that means.

Crabber9......there is nothing wrong with buying into a system. But, there are many that realized later on that it didn't work. Thus, they were fired.

You've attempted to lead th discussion away from success vs failure. As a young adult and a pro, I would have thought that you would not be the type of person that would want young athletes that view this board to think that they were failures because they didn't win a state championship.

And you are a role model? I think you need to revisit your moral values.

[Crabber#9]

Well how about this ........... should I consider you a failure because you play for the AFL for the Grand Rapids Rampage, instead of the NFL or AFC.

Did you mean NFC or AFC

I am still a pro athlete. I am living my dream. My dream was to be a pro football player which I am. I never said it had to be the NFL which I played in. I was just stating my opinion on why Phoebus' season was not a success.

You go and hand pick one or two sentences in my post and try to debate like that was my whole point.

If you want to say Phoebus had a successfull season then go right ahead. I never said it was 100% failure. I am not the only Hampton fan to post on this thread. I said you could look at it as a failure. It adds more motivation for next season.

but no you go your mind made up that I hate Phoebus because I played for Hampton. I did when I was in High School and that helped us smash you guys face everytime we played you.

But now I want any team from the Hampton Roads to succeed and win the State Championship if Hampton is not in the running.

To me it seems like you are settling or being the PD champ and Regional champ. I tell my cousins and my lil daughter never settle. ALWAYS strive to be the best at what you do. But in the end be thankful.

[Crabber#9]

Crabber9......there is nothing wrong with buying into a system. But, there are many that realized later on that it didn't work. Thus, they were fired.

You've attempted to lead th discussion away from success vs failure. As a young adult and a pro, I would have thought that you would not be the type of person that would want young athletes that view this board to think that they were failures because they didn't win a state championship.

And you are a role model? I think you need to revisit your moral values.


WOW!!!! moral values?? Man you are a piece of work. Well the coaches I played for are still coaching or are retired. Their system worked. Why would I tell a kid to settle for being #2????

You always tell a kid to be THE BEST!!

[Crabber#9]

I would tell the kids at Phoebus this.

There are positives and negatives in every game and everything they do in life.

The positive this season was winning the PD, the Regional and beating Hampton their rivals twice by a combined 40 points.

The only negative is they did not win the State Championship. The reason I consider that a big failure is because I know how much that haunts a kid not winning State when they had such a talented team.

That's why I am speaking the way I am. The team phoebus had was far better than any team in the state. So the expectations are that much higher. Now if they were just decent and made a good run then I would just say they had a successful season.

Do you understand now. If not then we don't see eye to eye

[krabbakrusha]

WOW!!!! moral values?? Man you are a piece of work. Well the coaches I played for are still coaching or are retired. Their system worked. Why would I tell a kid to settle for being #2????

You always tell a kid to be THE BEST!!

Not that I disagree with the point that you are trying to get across but, by your own definition, George Welsh didn't really have a system that worked considering that he never sniffed a national championship.

The bottom line in this silly argument is that Phoebus had a winning season which ultimately ended in disappointment. Does that make the entire season a failure? no. Does that mean that they failed to reach their ultimate goal? Yes.

Either way, the kids should be proud of committing to something bigger than themselves and they can take lessons that they learned this season into their lives and become successful human beings which is far more important than wearing a ring.

[Crabber#9]

Not that I disagree with the point that you are trying to get across but, by your own definition, George Welsh didn't really have a system that worked considering that he never sniffed a national championship.

The bottom line in this silly argument is that Phoebus had a winning season which ultimately ended in disappointment. Does that make the entire season a failure? no. Does that mean that they failed to reach their ultimate goal? Yes.

Either way, the kids should be proud of committing to something bigger than themselves and they can take lessons that they learned this season into their lives and become successful human beings which is far more important than wearing a ring.

:clap2: good post

[GLYMONT]

Did you mean NFC or AFC

I am still a pro athlete. I am living my dream. My dream was to be a pro football player which I am. I never said it had to be the NFL which I played in. I was just stating my opinion on why Phoebus' season was not a success.

You go and hand pick one or two sentences in my post and try to debate like that was my whole point.

If you want to say Phoebus had a successfull season then go right ahead. I never said it was 100% failure. I am not the only Hampton fan to post on this thread. I said you could look at it as a failure. It adds more motivation for next season.

but no you go your mind made up that I hate Phoebus because I played for Hampton. I did when I was in High School and that helped us smash you guys face everytime we played you.

But now I want any team from the Hampton Roads to succeed and win the State Championship if Hampton is not in the running.

To me it seems like you are settling or being the PD champ and Regional champ. I tell my cousins and my lil daughter never settle. ALWAYS strive to be the best at what you do. But in the end be thankful.

You still have a lot of growing up AH.

[GLYMONT]

Not that I disagree with the point that you are trying to get across but, by your own definition, George Welsh didn't really have a system that worked considering that he never sniffed a national championship.

The bottom line in this silly argument is that Phoebus had a winning season which ultimately ended in disappointment. Does that make the entire season a failure? no. Does that mean that they failed to reach their ultimate goal? Yes.

Either way, the kids should be proud of committing to something bigger than themselves and they can take lessons that they learned this season into their lives and become successful human beings which is far more important than wearing a ring.

Great post!!

[Crabber#9]

You still have a lot of growing up AH.

Yep your are right. I call it still a lot to learn. We are talking about sports. We all as people need to continue to learn. You don't know me on a personal level so you have your own opinion and I respect that. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I have to grow up. Good debating with you though.

[phantom_aggie]

I would tell the kids at Phoebus this.

There are positives and negatives in every game and everything they do in life.

The positive this season was winning the PD, the Regional and beating Hampton their rivals twice by a combined 40 points.

The only negative is they did not win the State Championship. The reason I consider that a big failure is because I know how much that haunts a kid not winning State when they had such a talented team.

That's why I am speaking the way I am. The team phoebus had was far better than any team in the state. So the expectations are that much higher. Now if they were just decent and made a good run then I would just say they had a successful season.

Do you understand now. If not then we don't see eye to eye


YOU are correct, we did not reach our goal of winning state, so it can be considered a failure. Our team looks to WIN state, not just getting there. They were not happy at just winning beating you twice, winning PD, or ER.. they wanted the ring... and they will fight all the more next year to bring the championship back where it belongs, the ER, the PD, city of Hampton..... 100 Ireland Street....:)

[Crabber#9]

YOU are correct, we did not reach our goal of winning state, so it can be considered a failure. Our team looks to WIN state, not just getting there. They were not happy at just winning beating you twice, winning PD, or ER.. they wanted the ring... and they will fight all the more next year to bring the championship back where it belongs, the ER, the PD, city of Hampton..... 100 Ireland Street....:)

That's all I have been trying to say. You guys are at the level where state is the only goal. If you guys were a so so team then having a good record is successful.

[GLYMONT]

Yep your are right. I call it still a lot to learn. We are talking about sports. We all as people need to continue to learn. You don't know me on a personal level so you have your own opinion and I respect that. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I have to grow up. Good debating with you though.

Wish you good fortune and good health AH.

[Crabber#9]

Wish you good fortune and good health AH.

Thanks for the blessings. Same to you also and hope we can continue to debate great issues that deal with our youth.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

And Happy Holidays to everyone as well......!!!!!!:)

[Crabber#9]

And Happy Holidays to everyone as well......!!!!!!:)

Ditto:D

[phantom_aggie]

Ditto:D


MERRY CHRISTMAS....

[Krazed_Phantom]

Yep, Merry Christmas.... we can all argue and disagree here, but when you run into people away from the 7 cities.... it is all love.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

And remember either you're happy about your success or you're disappointed about your failure!!!! It can't be both.


Did you all hear what Junior Seau said about the Patriots journey?


If it is not completed then it will be FAILURE!

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

It's hard to think like this if you haven't won a Championship!

[krabbakrusha]

And remember either you're happy about your success or you're disappointed about your failure!!!! It can't be both.


Did you all hear what Junior Seau said about the Patriots journey?


If it is not completed then it will be FAILURE!

Here is the point that you are failing to grasp. Your thoughts about the Phoebus season do not matter, you are a Hampton guy. You can have all the thoughts about your team that you want, no one on the blue and gold side of the field needs your advice.

The Phantoms are cutting their own path and finding their own way. No one needs to think like "THE PROGRAM", except you Crabbers fans.

You have your way of doing things, we'll have ours. You've been successful with your path, we're pretty happy with ours.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

Here is the point that you are failing to grasp. Your thoughts about the Phoebus season do not matter, you are a Hampton guy. You can have all the thoughts about your team that you want, no one on the blue and gold side of the field needs your advice.

The Phantoms are cutting their own path and finding their own way. No one needs to think like "THE PROGRAM", except you Crabbers fans.

You have your way of doing things, we'll have ours. You've been successful with your path, we're pretty happy with ours.

That's something to think about coming from a guy named KRABBA. If don't believe that no one needs to think about the program then why did you name your self after "THE PROGRAM"?

Just curious....

And I beg to differ about my thoughts. I think they do matter and as a matter of fact you seem to still be debating my thoughts.

P.S. If you and your fantums could comprehend then you would see that this thread was in response and specifically address to DSquires.

Merry Christmas KRABBA....

[krabbakrusha]

That's something to think about coming from a guy named KRABBA. If don't believe that no one needs to think about the program then why did you name your self after "THE PROGRAM"?

Just curious....

And I beg to differ about my thoughts. I think they do matter and as a matter of fact you seem to still be debating my thoughts.

P.S. If you and your fantums could comprehend then you would see that this thread was in response and specifically address to DSquires.

Merry Christmas KRABBA....

My name was set up to specifically announce my intentions on this board -- to crush you and your propoganda (long with Ripklaw), because I believe you both to be the enemy of legitmate thought and debate on these boards.

Your posts are a broken record of memories of your playing days and times of glory past for Hampton.

You can rant and rave all you want about the Program, the titles, the past, whatever you want. The bottom line, and the thing that eats away at you most, is that Phoebus has found their own successful path and has emerged from the giant red shadow.

Then Phantoms no longer define themselves by their games versus Hampton. Now is the time for you to learn from us -- get into the weight room and bulk those kids up because Phoebus is coming with that straight ahead, smashmouth attack again next year.

I like your weasly attempt to authenticate this thread by claiming that it was addressed to David Squires. In fact, this thread is in response to a question posed by Squires to the Phoebus fans. Are you one of them? No! Therefore, your opinions mean zero, zilch, nothing in this matter.

Merry Christmas to you too. And a Happy New Year.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

Krabba want to be.... that is what you are! You set your name up to display what is on your mind constantly. It's OK. Come on, it's really ok. See, Hampton has a history of people like you. People who consume themselves soooo much with da Crab that if they do get the chance to compete against'em, and then lose, they'll have to be kept on 24 watch in a padded room. Relax my friend. The point that was being made wasn't to you. Unless you for some reason need to know how to think like a Champion! By the way, have you any championships? Whatever...

You can rant and rave all you want about the Program, the titles, the past, whatever you want. The bottom line, and the thing that eats away at you most, is that Phoebus has found their own successful path and has emerged from the giant red shadow.

I apologize Krabba but nothing eats away @ me! Do you get it. I am a CHAMPION. AND, I am proud of Phoebus. I grew up on Williams St. I remember when they played Dinwiddie for their very first game!!!! I wish and hope that Phoebus continues to win and get better. I have no mal feelings toward Phoebus what so ever.

* I just want real Champions to understand that they no longer have to except mediocrity.*

It's people like you who want to say bad things about other people. I don't mind what you say about me.... go ahead, I need to be marketed. Look sir krabba, I'm the sick beast that every Crabber speaks of. There's nothing that you can say that will move me. You have not the slightest inclination of the mindset of a "SickBeast" and I don't expect you to. So let's leave it @ that!

You want to be a Crabber but you don't posses the potential or even a weasly idea!

[Crabber#9]

:):(:confused::eek:

I'm at a loss for words

[GLYMONT]

That's something to think about coming from a guy named KRABBA. If don't believe that no one needs to think about the program then why did you name your self after "THE PROGRAM"?

Just curious....

And I beg to differ about my thoughts. I think they do matter and as a matter of fact you seem to still be debating my thoughts.

P.S. If you and your fantums could comprehend then you would see that this thread was in response and specifically address to DSquires.

Merry Christmas KRABBA....

I see one of your weak points is spelling. Is this a "PROGRAM" thing?

[Crabber#9]

I see one of your weak points is spelling. Is this a "PROGRAM" thing?

No.

[krabbakrusha]

Krabba want to be.... that is what you are! You set your name up to display what is on your mind constantly. It's OK. Come on, it's really ok. See, Hampton has a history of people like you. People who consume themselves soooo much with da Crab that if they do get the chance to compete against'em, and then lose, they'll have to be kept on 24 watch in a padded room. Relax my friend. The point that was being made wasn't to you. Unless you for some reason need to know how to think like a Champion! By the way, have you any championships? Whatever...

You can rant and rave all you want about the Program, the titles, the past, whatever you want. The bottom line, and the thing that eats away at you most, is that Phoebus has found their own successful path and has emerged from the giant red shadow.

I apologize Krabba but nothing eats away @ me! Do you get it. I am a CHAMPION. AND, I am proud of Phoebus. I grew up on Williams St. I remember when they played Dinwiddie for their very first game!!!! I wish and hope that Phoebus continues to win and get better. I have no mal feelings toward Phoebus what so ever.

* I just want real Champions to understand that they no longer have to except mediocrity.*

It's people like you who want to say bad things about other people. I don't mind what you say about me.... go ahead, I need to be marketed. Look sir krabba, I'm the sick beast that every Crabber speaks of. There's nothing that you can say that will move me. You have not the slightest inclination of the mindset of a "SickBeast" and I don't expect you to. So let's leave it @ that!

You want to be a Crabber but you don't posses the potential or even a weasly idea!

Let's see...

Wanna be...check
history...check
sick beast...check
champion...check

Another post from you, another broken record of the same drivel over and over and over...yawn!

I'm fairly certain that I have more friends on the Hampton sideline than you do. You see, my point and my screen name have nothing to do with Hampton or the Crabbers program, nor do I "constantly" think of them.

My point is that when David Squires asks a question to Phoebus fans, you have no right answering because you are not a Phoebus fan. But you just couldn't resist yet another post about champion this, history that, sick beast this, blah blah that.

Please post more, but post something new!

[sixerfan885]

I'm really confused on the fuss between Phoebus and Hampton football squads. I have been looking at PD football for an awfully long time and I see it like this.

Phoebus is an up and coming program. Since 2000, they have been an excellent program. They have taken that program to the next level easily.

Bethel has seen most of its glory days past them by. Back in the day it was only one other team that can compete with them in the PD and the was Hampton. They had a very good year this year and hopefully they would

Menchville has always had steady team in the 70's and the early 80's. They were known for good rb's

Kecoughtan produced steady teams. David Woodlief was one of the best qb's in the PD throughout the 80's. Terry Noel was a beast as well for the 84', 85' teams

Ferguson-hit and miss. The Solomons, Bacotes were families that contributed to that program

Warwick-never got on track. Excellent b ball teams in the late 70's and early 80's

Lafayette-i'm still trying to remember how dominate they were suppose to be with LT and Ron Springs on that team in the 70's

Hampton- just carrying on tradition year in and year out. They are the measuring stick for the state

i know others will have difference of opinion, but this is what I observed basically from the 70's to the middle 90's

[phantom_aggie]

I'm really confused on the fuss between Phoebus and Hampton football squads. I have been looking at PD football for an awfully long time and I see it like this.

Phoebus is an up and coming program. Since 2000, they have been an excellent program. They have taken that program to the next level easily.

Bethel has seen most of its glory days past them by. Back in the day it was only one other team that can compete with them in the PD and the was Hampton. They had a very good year this year and hopefully they would

Menchville has always had steady team in the 70's and the early 80's. They were known for good rb's

Kecoughtan produced steady teams. David Woodlief was one of the best qb's in the PD throughout the 80's. Terry Noel was a beast as well for the 84', 85' teams

Ferguson-hit and miss. The Solomons, Bacotes were families that contributed to that program

Warwick-never got on track. Excellent b ball teams in the late 70's and early 80's

Lafayette-i'm still trying to remember how dominate they were suppose to be with LT and Ron Springs on that team in the 70's

Hampton- just carrying on tradition year in and year out. They are the measuring stick for the state

i know others will have difference of opinion, but this is what I observed basically from the 70's to the middle 90's


I would have to respectfully disagree with you. Phoebus has been in the 1-3 spot of the PD since 1986. Remember, the year Bethel actually won state in the 1990s they were number #3 in the district behind Hampton (9-1) and Phoebus (8-2). Phoebus actually beat them that year, and probably should have been in the playoffs in front of them. While I would agree that Phoebus took it to the next level since 2000, Phoebus has been hovering near the top for years in the PD. It is clear, that one of the best games of all time was the Phoebus/Hampton 1994 game... when Phoebus was 9-0 and Hampton was 8-0 :mad:. Most of the 1990s was Hampton #1, yes, but Phoebus was typically #2 in the District. AND the years that Hampton wasn't #1, Phoebus usually beat the team that beat Hampton... (ala Kecoughtan in 1993).

[CoachA10]

Does anyone else find this tiresome? Wow! Move on.

[sixerfan885]

I would have to respectfully disagree with you. Phoebus has been in the 1-3 spot of the PD since 1986. Remember, the year Bethel actually won state in the 1990s they were number #3 in the district behind Hampton (9-1) and Phoebus (8-2). Phoebus actually beat them that year, and probably should have been in the playoffs in front of them. While I would agree that Phoebus took it to the next level since 2000, Phoebus has been hovering near the top for years in the PD. It is clear, that one of the best games of all time was the Phoebus/Hampton 1994 game... when Phoebus was 9-0 and Hampton was 8-0 :mad:. Most of the 1990s was Hampton #1, yes, but Phoebus was typically #2 in the District. AND the years that Hampton wasn't #1, Phoebus usually beat the team that beat Hampton... (ala Kecoughtan in 1993).


Though I missed the fact that Phoebus was in the #3 spot in 1986, you are only going back to then. What about the 70's and the early 80's? You mentioned that the most memorable game to you was the 94' Phoebus/Hampton battle. This is because both were undefeated at the time. This is my point exactly, when Bethel and Hampton played it was usually for everything. Both teams were undefeated most of the time when the met at the end of the season. Phoebus has not endured that consistently on the same level as those two teams use to battle. Even though Phoebus is catching up real fast!!

Kecoughtan and Menchville use to hover around that #3 spot alot as well (before the 86') season, but you don't see people talking about them as a powerhouse as much as Bethel/Hampton were. Kecoughtan use to play Hampton real tough (they beat them 3-0 in 84') I see your points, but I beg to differ on some.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

Let's see..

I'm fairly certain that I have more friends on the Hampton sideline than you do. You see, my point and my screen name have nothing to do with Hampton or the Crabbers program, nor do I "constantly" think of them.

I can care less about a friend. Do they pay bills? "I got more friends than you...." You sound like a "SOFTY". You ever been to the ice cream store. This is a football board. I'm not out to make friends and friendship ain't got nothin to do with the game. That's why Hampton had the garbage season they had... You keep your little friends and make sure you send all your friends on the Hampton sideline a Christmas present. They need something to carry home this year. Ain't no fakin with this. Phoebus and Hampton football season was a success to a player or coach who hasn't won a state championship.

Alright Krabba, just have a pretty good Holiday....

Can we find another topic. Something goood.

[krabbakrusha]

I can care less about a friend. Do they pay bills? "I got more friends than you...." You sound like a "SOFTY". You ever been to the ice cream store. This is a football board. I'm not out to make friends and friendship ain't got nothin to do with the game. That's why Hampton had the garbage season they had... You keep your little friends and make sure you send all your friends on the Hampton sideline a Christmas present. They need something to carry home this year. Ain't no fakin with this. Phoebus and Hampton football season was a success to a player or coach who hasn't won a state championship.

Alright Krabba, just have a pretty good Holiday....

Can we find another topic. Something goood.

Hey everyone, in case you haven't heard, Crabber won chamnpionships in high school. If you doubt that, just look at ANY POST THAT HE HAS EVER PUT ON THE BOARD!

Let me give you a little lesson in being a champion, Crabber. True champions don't have to remind anyone of what they did. True champions know that their accomplishments stand for themselves.

That is why I don't need to talk about mine, but you need to remind everyone about yours all the time.

You can try to bully everyone on this board all you want, but I'm gonna be here to keep smacking you around.

Enjoy your holiday season.

[phantom_aggie]

Though I missed the fact that Phoebus was in the #3 spot in 1986, you are only going back to then. What about the 70's and the early 80's? You mentioned that the most memorable game to you was the 94' Phoebus/Hampton battle. This is because both were undefeated at the time. This is my point exactly, when Bethel and Hampton played it was usually for everything. Both teams were undefeated most of the time when the met at the end of the season. Phoebus has not endured that consistently on the same level as those two teams use to battle. Even though Phoebus is catching up real fast!!

Kecoughtan and Menchville use to hover around that #3 spot alot as well (before the 86') season, but you don't see people talking about them as a powerhouse as much as Bethel/Hampton were. Kecoughtan use to play Hampton real tough (they beat them 3-0 in 84') I see your points, but I beg to differ on some.


Well, I am saying SINCE '86, Phoebus has been constantly at or near the top... so, I am talking roughly 20 years or so... That is what you call... consistency.

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

Hey everyone, in case you haven't heard, Crabber won chamnpionships in high school. If you doubt that, just look at ANY POST THAT HE HAS EVER PUT ON THE BOARD!

Let me give you a little lesson in being a champion, Crabber. True champions don't have to remind anyone of what they did. True champions know that their accomplishments stand for themselves.

That is why I don't need to talk about mine, but you need to remind everyone about yours all the time.

You can try to bully everyone on this board all you want, but I'm gonna be here to keep smacking you around.

Enjoy your holiday season.

Are you talking to me or to everybody else?

It seems as though you're speaking to the masses and once again you have overwhelmed yourself with the Crab... Why do you do this to yourself? You sit up here and watch the boards and as soon as "The Program" speaks, you start twitching. You named yourself after a high school, the mascot of your rival and you say that you don't think of them...? Are you sure that you don't have "The Program" on your mind constantly? Yes you named yourself after Hampton High...... but @ least you know whats best!

I don't mind you marketing me. Actually, I appreciate it. But can you make sure that you don't leave out things like college championships? I know you record everything I say so sure you know I have college championships don't you?

I am interested in your championship though and if you don't mind sharing, it may add a little value to what you say. Please feel free to validate that "softy" type aggression , with some accomplishment. By the way if you haven't heard then know that I LOVE CONTACT. Smack me up, Softy!

Oh yeah, what is a true Champion? You said you are a true champion, but you sound like a fake champion. How do I know you have a championship? We don't know you, all we know about you is you love the Crabbers. In fact, so much so that when you are sharing your knowledge and experiences "KRABBER" is what we see!!!!!

P.S. My birthday is 12/24 and I most certainly will enjoy my holidays.
Why don't you forget about the Crab for bout a week? Then come back and "Smack" me up please!!!

[GLYMONT]

Are you talking to me or to everybody else?

It seems as though you're speaking to the masses and once again you have overwhelmed yourself with the Crab... Why do you do this to yourself? You sit up here and watch the boards and as soon as "The Program" speaks, you start twitching. You named yourself after a high school, the mascot of your rival and you say that you don't think of them...? Are you sure that you don't have "The Program" on your mind constantly? Yes you named yourself after Hampton High...... but @ least you know whats best!

I don't mind you marketing me. Actually, I appreciate it. But can you make sure that you don't leave out things like college championships? I know you record everything I say so sure you know I have college championships don't you?

I am interested in your championship though and if you don't mind sharing, it may add a little value to what you say. Please feel free to validate that "softy" type aggression , with some accomplishment. By the way if you haven't heard then know that I LOVE CONTACT. Smack me up, Softy!

Oh yeah, what is a true Champion? You said you are a true champion, but you sound like a fake champion. How do I know you have a championship? We don't know you, all we know about you is you love the Crabbers. In fact, so much so that when you are sharing your knowledge and experiences "KRABBER" is what we see!!!!!

P.S. My birthday is 12/24 and I most certainly will enjoy my holidays.
Why don't you forget about the Crab for bout a week? Then come back and "Smack" me up please!!!

What is a Champion?

Champions get up one more time than they have been knocked down.

Champions give their all no matter the score.

Champions do what is right even when it hurts.

Champions know winning is not necessarily measured by the final score.

Champions take a stand for what is right, even when they stand alone.

Champions see every challenge as an opportunity.

Champions make those around them better.

Champions do the right thing even when no one is watching.

Champions dedicate themselves to prepare for success.

Champions put the success of others above individual achievement.

Champions understand winning is not the only thing.

Champions live by a higher personal standard.

Champions lay down their own desires for the benefit of others.

Champions willingly accept responsibility, and graciously deflect honor.

Champions never sacrifice what is best for something good.

Champions may fail...but they never quit.

Crabbers'D-Crew42 ................. when you cay identify with the doctrine above, I will put some value in what you attempt to put in words.

ps. Happy Birthday!

[Crabbers'D-Crew42]

As of today, this doctrine has been put on the wall.... Thanks Glymont!

Merry Christmas!

[GLYMONT]

As of today, this doctrine has been put on the wall.... Thanks Glymont!

Merry Christmas!

Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season Crabber!

[krabbakrusha]

Are you talking to me or to everybody else?

It seems as though you're speaking to the masses and once again you have overwhelmed yourself with the Crab... Why do you do this to yourself? You sit up here and watch the boards and as soon as "The Program" speaks, you start twitching. You named yourself after a high school, the mascot of your rival and you say that you don't think of them...? Are you sure that you don't have "The Program" on your mind constantly? Yes you named yourself after Hampton High...... but @ least you know whats best!

I don't mind you marketing me. Actually, I appreciate it. But can you make sure that you don't leave out things like college championships? I know you record everything I say so sure you know I have college championships don't you?

I am interested in your championship though and if you don't mind sharing, it may add a little value to what you say. Please feel free to validate that "softy" type aggression , with some accomplishment. By the way if you haven't heard then know that I LOVE CONTACT. Smack me up, Softy!

Oh yeah, what is a true Champion? You said you are a true champion, but you sound like a fake champion. How do I know you have a championship? We don't know you, all we know about you is you love the Crabbers. In fact, so much so that when you are sharing your knowledge and experiences "KRABBER" is what we see!!!!!

P.S. My birthday is 12/24 and I most certainly will enjoy my holidays.
Why don't you forget about the Crab for bout a week? Then come back and "Smack" me up please!!!

I'm not sure which is more difficult, watching you spit out the same tired drivel post after post, or watching you exhibit your complete inability to comprehend what others are posting.

Ultimately, I think that it's probably watching you struggle to understand simple concepts that is sadder.

Good luck with your past, it is all you have.