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Marty O'Brien
02-14-2008, 05:08 PM
If Bruton, Lafayette and Poquoson tie for first in Bay Rivers District girls basketball, a three-way playoff is set to decide. ....

A) Seeding for the district tournament.
B) Two of three district berths into the regional.

Why play two extra games to decide that?

As it is, two teams are guaranteed regional berths already. All this playoff decides is who goes into the regional as the district's first seed and who gets the second regional berth. (along with homecourt advantage in the district tournament)

A third berth will be decided by the district tournament. That would go to the third regular season champion, unless a team that finishes fourth or lower wins the district tournament. That's unlikely.

So why not let the tournament decide the everything?

Here's how.

A) The team that finishes highest in the tournament from the pool of three regular season champions goes to the regional as the district's No. 1 seed (regardless of whether it is the tournament champion).

B) The team that finishes next highest from the pool of three regular season champions gets the district's second berth to the regional. It goes to the regional as the No. 2 seed unless a team fourth or lower wins the district tournament.

Here's why.

This way you don't tire out a team going into the regional by making them play seven games in 10 days. That can conceivably happen to Poquoson if you count this week's two regular season games, two playoff games and three district tournament games.

So how are the three regular season champions seeded for the district tournament if you don't have a playoff? By setting up a regular season formula that starts with head-to-head play.

The district could've done that easily this year. In head-to-head play between the three, Lafayette was 3-1, Poquoson 2-2 and Bruton 1-3. Lafayette then would be the No. 1 seed and have homecourt advantage for the district tournament.

Instead, this playoff was set up using a preseason draw. Lafayette has two win two playoff games to get the No. 1 seed, thanks to a bad draw. Bruton got the better draw and only has to play, and win, one playoff game.

Does that make sense to you? Consider that Lafayette swept the season series with Bruton before you answer that one.

It won't always be as simple as head-to-head play to break a three-way tie, but that always should be the first method. Beyond that, the district must create a formula as useful as the power rating tie-breakers employed in football.

That might take some mental work, but it has to be better than teams playing seven games in 10 days just before the regionals.

And here's the best part. A district tournament that is currently just north of meaningless will become far more meaningful.

BaseballFan23662
02-14-2008, 05:34 PM
I agree. They should head to head before they determine playoff games.
Now I realize that Poq might have to play 7 games in 10 days.

If I were them, I would just not worry about the playoff games, because they would end up third in the district tournament, and they would get in, bc its unlikely 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th seed would win the tournament.

Lynn Burke
02-14-2008, 09:20 PM
I agree. They should head to head before they determine playoff games.
Now I realize that Poq might have to play 7 games in 10 days.

If I were them, I would just not worry about the playoff games, because they would end up third in the district tournament, and they would get in, bc its unlikely 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th seed would win the tournament.

Granted, not likely, but Jamestown was seeded eighth a couple of years ago and won the tournament to knock the third seed out.

And last fall, Grafton had to win the BRD tournament just to reach the Region I tournament. The Clippers wound up as state runner-up and knocked somebody else out of the regional tournament.

So while it's not likely, there are a couple of recent instances that prove the opposite.

Marty O'Brien
02-15-2008, 10:29 AM
As we pointed out in the paper this morning. ...Bruton is already guaranteed a spot in the regional. ...because it has a bye to second of the two playoff games.

Tonight's loser, Poquoson or Lafayette is not guaranteed a regional berth. Sure, the loser of that game will be favored to finish high in the district tournament to earn the third berth. What if they trip up?

No disrespect to Bruton - I would say the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot - but the Panthers were 1-3 in head-to-head play against Lafayette (3-1) and Poquoson (2-1). Yet they are already guaranteed a regional berth - because of the draw - while the other two teams are not.

How can anybody look at that as fair?

One other thing. Our paper mentioned that the playoff is for the district title. Not true. The playoff is for the first seed in the district tournament as well as the two automatic berths into the regional.

Lafayette, Poquoson and Bruton are all considered co-Bay Rivers District regular season champions.