Best Pitchers at this point in BRD?

[BigDaddy]

Who do you folks feel is the best pitchers in the BRD at this point in the season? :D

[Bythenumbers]

Clearly looking at the stats at this point I would say if looking at earned runs Prosper.Gibb,and we all know Mills is proven to be great.

[crispyMHSplayer]

Holt

[sballalum]

I think Gibbs from Poquoson deserves alot of credit:clap2: She was back up to Evans the last couple of seasons. She has come out this year and looks very good! If I'm not mistaken the only time Poquoson beat New Kent last year was when she was pitching and Evans was hurt! Good Luck this season Poquoson!!

[BigDaddy]

Bythenumbers you wrote:
Clearly looking at the stats at this point I would say if looking at earned runs Prosper.Gibb,and we all know Mills is proven to be great.

I think you haven't seen the Smithfield Freshman who now has an ERA of less than 1 and has over 40 ks on the season with 3 consecutive shutouts, so I guess we would have to add her to the Mix of upper classman with Prosper, Gibb and Mills.

[Bythenumbers]

Yep you are right I should have mentioned Smithfields pitcher she has been doing a fine job. sorry.

[underdog562]

I think you haven't seen the Smithfield Freshman who now has an ERA of less than 1 and has over 40 ks on the season with 3 consecutive shutouts, so I guess we would have to add her to the Mix of upper classman with Prosper, Gibb and Mills.
Ok...let's not make a forum to stroke your ego. If your freshman daughter is so good then let others say it. It's sad when you have to toot your own horn.

[softball93]

Ok...let's not make a forum to stroke your ego. If your freshman daughter is so good then let others say it. It's sad when you have to toot your own horn.

If that isn't the pot and kettle thing then I don't know what is.

[sbfan9]

Ok...let's not make a forum to stroke your ego. If your freshman daughter is so good then let others say it. It's sad when you have to toot your own horn.

Ok, I'll 'toot the horn' a little, but just a little. Alora Lincoln is a good freshman pitcher who will only get better in the coming years. Only time will tell if she will be as good as the other pitchers mentioned earlier in this thread but if she continues to work hard, I think she has a chance. Keep in mind that she is only a freshman. Probably not many freshman pitchers have made their varsity team as a starting pitcher.

[sportsfan1]

All of the pitchers are good that have been mentioned in BRD. Yes, it does stand to reason if you are the only pitcher your school uses from your freshman year on you will get better. For that reason, we will definitely have to say the Prosper girl is very impressive since she was starting 1B and not pitching like many mentioned. She plays defense just as good as she pitches. Kudos Prosper! KEEP IT UP! Not to mention great all around kid! Any coach would be lucky to have someone with that great attitude and hard work ethic!!!!!!!:clap2:

[softball4girls]

Ok, I'll 'toot the horn' a little, but just a little. Alora Lincoln is a good freshman pitcher who will only get better in the coming years. Only time will tell if she will be as good as the other pitchers mentioned earlier in this thread but if she continues to work hard, I think she has a chance. Keep in mind that she is only a freshman. Probably not many pitchers have made their varsity team as a starting pitcher.

Why do you have to brag about your child if she's so good it'll show. This person even went on the GHS /WHS forum and said stuff about Coates. Dude, if your freshman daughter is that good it will come out. She is not the first pticher that started her freshman year. Coates stated and has many accolades that were given to her by others. Yes, Coates is going to UVA and she'll play too. You will be your daughter's problem just watch. Colleges don't like parents that interfere and word gets around.

[BigDaddy]

All of the pitchers are good that have been mentioned in BRD. Yes, it does stand to reason if you are the only pitcher your school uses from your freshman year on you will get better. For that reason, we will definitely have to say the Prosper girl is very impressive since she was starting 1B and not pitching like many mentioned. She plays defense just as good as she pitches. Kudos Prosper! KEEP IT UP! Not to mention great all around kid! Any coach would be lucky to have someone with that great attitude and hard work ethic!!!!!!!:clap2:

DITTO for Prosper, watched her play when she was younger with a travel team and it is wonderful to know what she has grown and obtained the rightful respect she deserved. KEEP IT UP KID! :clap2:

[sbfan9]

Why do you have to brag about your child if she's so good it'll show. This person even went on the GHS /WHS forum and said stuff about Coates. Dude, if your freshman daughter is that good it will come out. She is not the first pticher that started her freshman year. Coates stated and has many accolades that were given to her by others. Yes, Coates is going to UVA and she'll play too. You will be your daughter's problem just watch. Colleges don't like parents that interfere and word gets around.

I think you have me confused with someone else - Alora is not my kid. She is someone I know and I think she is a decent pitcher. Underdog562 wanted someone other than BigDaddy to 'toot her horn', so I did. Sorry if my doing so offended you as it wasn't my intention to do so. I was also trying to point out that not many freshmen pitchers make the varsity team as the starting pitcher. I’m sure there have been others and they deserved the starting spot just like Alora does. As for Coates, you get no argument from me. I’ve seen her pitch and I think she will be a great addition to the UVA team. BTW, I agree with you 100% on the parent interference thing. It will be the downfall of any player.

[BigDaddy]

I think you have me confused with someone else - Alora is not my kid. She is someone I know and I think she is a decent pitcher. Underdog562 wanted someone other than BigDaddy to 'toot her horn', so I did. Sorry if my doing so offended you as it wasn't my intention to do so. I was also trying to point out that not many freshmen pitchers make the varsity team as the starting pitcher. I’m sure there have been others and they deserved the starting spot just like Alora does. As for Coates, you get no argument from me. I’ve seen her pitch and I think she will be a great addition to the UVA team. BTW, I agree with you 100% on the parent interference thing. It will be the downfall of any player.

Sbfan9 - I will second that and also agree. Good luck to all the girls that play this wonderful sport we all seem to be passionate about.

[Softball Observer]

Alora has never played on the same travel team 2 years in a row. Yes, she has the potential to be a good pitcher, I just hope she is allowed to grow with the right coaching and live up to her potential. There are several pitchers in the PD who started as freshman.

[SBCoach]

Softball Observer that is what I was saying I had the opportunity to be one of her coaches for a short period. I saw the potential if she can be and is allowed to developed she can be very good.

[YC Sports Look]

SBCoach and Softball Observer


What is your criteria for declaring a kid having potential at this age? This is high school softball what potential are you measuring? And back to my original position if a kid has overbearing parents as you so eloquently put it SBCoach "one of those dads" why would you call him out in a public forum. For the sake of the kid just make observations not opinions because I sense you may be one of those dads also. Revisit calling yourself a coach.

Terry Fortaunto

[SPFan2012]

Hello all, this is Alora's mom. :) First I would like to thank Terry for the encouragement and rebuttal to SBCoach and Observer. Second I would like to say I usually don't respond to these forums...I think they are funny sometimes. I think some people just like to stir the pot for fun and to get a rise out of people. It should be just general stuff about teams ,perdictions, ect. When it is commending the girls on good jobs....great. Comparing them is fine as long as it is on facts and not personal or hurtful. However, when it starts talking about individual girls and there family it has gone to far. I am sorry I have to air this out on the forum but since the two people who like to stir up trouble hide behind screen names, I will just state what I have to say:

I wrote a longer message last night but it was written in upset so I have taken most of it off. What my family does for our daughter is our business and is for her. For someone who is "one of those dads" he does more for fastpitch in this area then most.

I don't know much about coaching and all that goes with it. But I do know my daughter works hard, just as I am sure the other good pitcher in any district do. A pitcher has to work and practice harder then any other position on the field with the catcher taking second. However, with that said, it takes a whole team to win a game. A pitcher is no better then the people behind her. In the same breathe it takes a good pitcher to make a successful team. Smithfield has a good team. They have had 4 consecutive games with shutouts. Our true mettle will show in the next two weeks. Time will tell how well they do just as with the other teams in the district. The Coaches in Smithfield are committed. My husband and I support them all the way and do what we can for the team. He is straight up and honest....sometimes a little to honesty. He loves the game and he loves his daughter. He will do all he can for any team in this area to help the girls and to promote softball. SB Coach, if you actual coached my daughter then you had her for a full season unless it was this season. All the coaches who has worked for Alora has worked well with her and my husband has a good relationship with all the coaches from her past team except for one. Therefore you either don't know my husband, you are from that one team and I will not dip to your level to discuss that on a open forum, or you are not telling the truth. Observer, if you are a good observer then you know that Alora is not the only girl who has played on more then one team. She is with the Legends now and that is where we plan to stay.

SBcoach she gets all the breathing room she needs. Just because we don't let our daughter run all over hotels with us not knowing where she is does not mean we are overbearing. She made some of her best friends in softball but she also played with some girls she does not like to hang out with. She is a good Christian girl and knows what is acceptable behavior and what is not. I am proud of my daughter, not just the pitcher but as a person. She is a good girl and does well on and off the field. She knows their are going to be consequences for the actions of herself and those she hangs around with. She takes the sport serious. Yes she likes to have fun....but she likes to win also. With that said winning is not everything if a girl does not get the training she needs to improve. The best thing I can say to you is worry about your own and let me worry about what is best for my daughter.
:clap2: I hope all the girls a safe and fun season regardless of team.
God Bless all and keep them safe.

[BigDaddy]

Hello all, this is Alora's mom. :) First I would like to thank Terry
for the encouragement and rebuttal to SBCoach and Observer. Second I would like to say I usually don't respond to these forums...I think they are funny sometimes. I think some people just like to stir the pot for fun and to get a rise out of people. It should be just general stuff about teams ,perdictions, ect. When it is commending the girls on good jobs....great. Comparing them is fine as long as it is on facts and not personal or hurtful. However, when it starts talking about individual girls and there family it has gone to far.

Alora has been in travel ball since she was 8 years old. She loves it. As any parent knows, if your daughter is in travel ball the whole family is in travel ball and they all make sacrifices for them to be able to play, especially the siblings. You place lots of money on equipment, lots of miles on the car, and lots of time getting them to games and practice. Also, if you have a pitcher, you spend just that much more time and money. We(my husband and I) enjoy watching Alora play. We support her. We both know that she sacrifices just as much to play. We expect her to practice and do her best as any parent should if they are sacrificing so much for her to play. Every year, before the season starts, we ask her if she is still enjoying the game and if she wants to play.

She is a Pitcher. Any good Pitcher knows you have to practice. She is a good pitcher. Her Dad and I are very proud of her and may brag some but any good parent would be proud of her. She has been working hard at it for years. SBcoach, she doesn't show talent. She shows her work ethic. I am not saying she is the best freshman to start and I am not saying she is the best pitcher in the district... for those who like to take a small comment and place your own spin on it. I am just saying her stats are just as good as the other pitchers out there and she is only a freshman. As far as her travel teams go for you people who are so concerned with her history.

She is happy now which is more important to us then anything and there is only one coach who had a problem with my husband and if SBCoach would like to discuss it he can email me or call me. There are several who know my husband in this community and they know he would help any girl who needs it. He is a good coach and knows the game. We do all we can to promote girls fastpitch in this area. So I am sorry for the people who do not know our family and judge us by the small minds of others. We love our daughter and want her to be happy. She chooses to play....she loves to play.

All I know is my daughter works hard, just as I am sure the other good pitcher in any district do. A pitcher has to work and practice harder then any other position on the field with the catcher taking second. However, with that said, it takes a whole team to win a game. A pitcher is no better then the people behind her. In the same breathe it takes a good pitcher to make a successful team. Smithfield has a good team. They have had 4 consecutive games with shutouts. Our true mettle will show in the next two weeks. Time will tell how well they do just as with the other teams in the district. The Coaches in Smithfield are committed. My husband and I support them all the way and do what we can for the team. He is straight up and honest....sometimes a little to honesty. He loves the game and he loves his daughter.

SBcoach she gets all the breathing room she needs. 14/15 year olds do need guide lines and some have to much breathing room. Just because we don't let our daughter run all over hotels with us not knowing where she is does not mean we are overbearing. She made some of her best friends in softball but she also played with some girls she does not like to hang out with. She is a good Christian girl and knows what is acceptable behavior and what is not. I am proud of my daughter, not just the pitcher but as a person. She is a good girl and does well on and off the field. She knows their are going to be consequences for the actions of herself and those she hangs around with. She takes the sport serious. Yes she likes to have fun....but she likes to win also. The best thing I can say to you is worry about your own and let me worry about what is best for my daughter.
:clap2: I hope all the girls a safe and fun season regardless of team.
God Bless all and keep them safe.

I want to first apologize to Alora's mom - I had posted some things to get reaction and stir the pot per say, leaving a presumption that I was someone I'm not. I have personally apologized to Alora's dad yesterday. Bottom line let's get back to softball topics and commending all the girls who play in a sport they love.

[CoachBell]

I want to first apologize to Alora's mom - I had posted some things to get reaction and stir the pot per say, leaving a presumption that I was someone I'm not. I have personally apologized to Alora's dad yesterday. Bottom line let's get back to softball topics and commending all the girls who play in a sport they love.


Hey BigDaddy it is all good, you really have to watch stuff you post. It is water under the bridge. You should come to more of the games they are exciting this year. Not like JV last year. Apology accepted. On the flip side, I thought some of it was funny, especially to see the replies to some of your posts but to an extent and some went overboard as I stated to you personally.

Take Care
Clarence

[BRDBASEBALL]

Prosper hands down!

[BigDaddy]

From all reports and the numbers Prosper is doing a great job this year and will go down as one of the best this year, especially if she keeps up the good work

[Bythenumbers]

I think she will too,she looks real confident out there...hardworker deserves alot of credit.Getting good support from an improved infield and very good outfield also alot of expirience behind the plate.Hopefully she will get the run support she needs to keep York on top.Good luck Ashley!

[BigDaddy]

I think she will too,she looks real confident out there...hardworker deserves alot of credit.Getting good support from an improved infield and very good outfield also alot of expirience behind the plate.Hopefully she will get the run support she needs to keep York on top.Good luck Ashley!

What is the date that Prosper (Senior?) will face Smithfield? I think that will be an interesting game. How many shutouts does prosper have this year? Or 1 hitters? or No Hitters? I am sure she is rackin them up. Can't find the info anywhere

[Bythenumbers]

Not sure on the era but she has 4 shutouts and three 1 run games.If Smithfield can beat New Kent this week then the York /Smithfield game would be for first place.

[sportsfan1]

Okay, if Smithfield beats New Kent it doesn't matter. Smithfield still has a loss according to standing Lynn Burke has posted for BRD and PD.

[YC Sports Look]

SBCoach and Softball Observer

There you have it, remember the old saying the cream always comes to the top seems to me you two owe this young lady an apology

'Fearless' freshman emerges for Smithfield

By JENNIFER L. WILLIAMS, DAVE JOHNSON and LYNN BURKE


Smithfield coach Cathy Riddick knew she had a special talent in pitcher Alora Lincoln. She also knew something else: The kid is a freshman.

But Lincoln hasn’t shown her youth or inexperience in pitching the Packers to an 8-5 record going into Saturday’s game at Warhill. She handed York its first loss of the season with a five-hit shutout. And she threw a no-hitter Wednesday against Grafton.

“She’s pitched well beyond what we expected out of her as a freshman,” Riddick said. “We expected a bigger learning curve for her, but I’ve been very impressed with her stature on the mound. When she’s out there, she’s fearless. She knows what she needs to do.

“For a freshman, she’s really showed a lot of poise. I really look forward to the next three years, because with her work ethic, she’s going to be one of the best to ever come out of this district. And we’ve had some excellent pitchers come out of this district.”

Lincoln has an ERA of 1.05. She has struck out 106 batters, an average of eight per game.






SBCoach and Softball Observer


What is your criteria for declaring a kid having potential at this age? This is high school softball what potential are you measuring? And back to my original position if a kid has overbearing parents as you so eloquently put it SBCoach "one of those dads" why would you call him out in a public forum. For the sake of the kid just make observations not opinions because I sense you may be one of those dads also. Revisit calling yourself a coach.

Terry Fortaunto

[SBCoach]

YC Sports Look obviously you should have replied that I was right because it appears she is on her way to reaching her potential. I never said this young lady was anything but good. If you look back to my original post you were upset about my comments on parental interference

[WARHILLFAN]

What about the freshman pitcher for Warhill High School? Just because we have not won any games yet, she is still an excellent pitcher for a freshman. Give us a couple of years and lookout Bay Rivers District.

[YC Sports Look]

SBcoach

Never upset about your comments just surprised you had the gall to call a parent out in a public forum (parental interference) and then present yourself as an authority to assess potential. Comments you present about potential and parental involvement just creates ill will when presented in a negative fashion. A real coach does not do either in public,

Terry



YC Sports Look obviously you should have replied that I was right because it appears she is on her way to reaching her potential. I never said this young lady was anything but good. If you look back to my original post you were upset about my comments on parental interference

[WARHILLFAN]

I am not sure what if you are referring to me or what this comment is all about. I am not a coach and I do not believe I said anything negative or with ill will to anyone. Just making an observation.

[YC Sports Look]

Warhillfan

All is good with your post the previous post is for a previous comment.
I hope to see Warhill emerge as a contender


I am not sure what if you are referring to me or what this comment is all about. I am not a coach and I do not believe I said anything negative or with ill will to anyone. Just making an observation.

[Fastpitch Fan]

What about the freshman pitcher for Warhill High School? Just because we have not won any games yet, she is still an excellent pitcher for a freshman. Give us a couple of years and lookout Bay Rivers District.

Warhillfan

Your young pitcher is doing a good job. All of your players appear to be working hard. It is difficult to get a new program off the ground and your girls did improve the second time we faced you. Although you have not won yet this year the girls appear to have not quit and are still smiling. I believe the majority of your squad is extremely young so the next couple of years should show promise.

Good Luck and you all have a beautiful school.

[SBCoach]

YC Sports Looks the facts are what the facts are like I previously stated the kid is a good kid and has the potential to be a top notch pitcher (which she has shown this year) and that is all that matters. I hope nothing inhibits her on her path to being one of the top pitchers in the BRD for the next three years. I think that we have said all that needs to be said about this issue.

Warhill I have only seen your Freshman pitcher once this year and with continued hard work I look forward to Warhill being a player in the BRD in a couple of years.

[WARHILLFAN]

Our freshman pitcher has worked very hard as have all of our kids. Your right as a new school we have had a rough year with an entire freshman starting lineup except for 2 sophomores--we are doing our best to compete with the older girls and the second half of the season we should prove to be a little more competitive and in the next few years should have a strong team in BRD. Thanks for all the support.

[CoachBell]

Our freshman pitcher has worked very hard as have all of our kids. Your right as a new school we have had a rough year with an entire freshman starting lineup except for 2 sophomores--we are doing our best to compete with the older girls and the second half of the season we should prove to be a little more competitive and in the next few years should have a strong team in BRD. Thanks for all the support.

Your school ---has all the right to have your heads held High, My daughter remarked just this weekend how she felt that everyone was so nice and that the girls get better each time she faced them. This is a sign of a team on a path for success. It is difficult to get a new team off the ground especially for a school.
I would encourage you to get the girls in Travel ball programs. Contact me privately and I can potentially make a few recommendations. Combine the travel ball play with high school and that young freshman, you all have will be dominating many opponents in no time. Best wishes for the remainder of the season. WARWILL KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

[sportsfan1]

Our freshman pitcher has worked very hard as have all of our kids. Your right as a new school we have had a rough year with an entire freshman starting lineup except for 2 sophomores--we are doing our best to compete with the older girls and the second half of the season we should prove to be a little more competitive and in the next few years should have a strong team in BRD. Thanks for all the support.


Yes, you are doing fine. I think you girls should consider yourselves lucky that your even getting a chance to pitch as a freshman. Do you have any idea how many girls all over the U.S. that can pitch but don't because their teams need them to play other positions. Give yourselves a break. We have seen alot of the girls through travel ball in the PD and BRD and alot of them have pitched but several do not pitch for their high schools. I don't recognize Warhill pitcher from travel but your doing great so smile and Smithfield pitcher most has seen on several travel teams and she has always pitched so yes it stands to reason she is going to more consistent. Give yourselves a couple of years! Smithfield team has a couple of more girls that look familiar and I believe I have seen them pitch on weekends like Dudney but shes playing outfield so keep that in mind and be proud that your on the field doing your best whereevery you play.

[Sportsdad62]

Holt


Holt isn't in the BRD..she is in the PD District.

[carlitos]

definitely it's got to be mills from new kent:clap2:

[pop-tarts]

I think the most impressive pitcher right now is Prosper.
:llama:

[CoachBell]

As of right now I would have to go with
Mills
Lincoln
Prosper

Of course that is subject to change in the upcoming weeks - alot of softball left to play
But it will depend on how their teams support them over the upcoming games. And we shouldn't forget Carrol from Lafayette or Gibbs from Poquoson.

[WARHILLFAN]

Thanks CoachBell for the encouragement. Most of the girls already do play travel ball of some kind and I believe a lot of them are doing it this summer as well from the things I have heard from them. Thanks for all the encouragement, they need it!!!!!

[allsportsfan]

As of right now I would have to go with
Mills
Lincoln
Prosper

Of course that is subject to change in the upcoming weeks - alot of softball left to play
But it will depend on how their teams support them over the upcoming games. And we shouldn't forget Carrol from Lafayette or Gibbs from Poquoson.
Prosper probably not the best pitcher but she has such good defense behind her and that counts for a whole lot.Mills from what I saw on Saturday is my vote for the best pitcher in the BRD , my vote people that`s all.The Yorkies still have a great shot at the title.Their schedule is tough but they can do it.

[Coach Gabeler]

all the above pitchers are outstanding but even though she is only a freshman with not alot of experience im going to throw in my pitcher Amanda Bordon certainly the BRD hitters have touched her up but she has given Warhill something to look forward to in her next 3 years not including what we have left this year :)

[underdog562]

Lincoln and Mills are the most dominating in the BDR.

[sportsfan1]

Lincoln and Mills are the most dominating in the BDR.

Prosper because she was always 1st baseman and is on her own with the catcher calling their on pitches. When we read that in the paper we really respect those girls. Keep up the good work!!

[rivah230]

Hey Burke-Is this not a comment that takes a shot? I do not see your removal comment on this? What is the deal?

[softball911]

Lincoln and Mills are the most dominating in the BDR.
Mills and Prosper by far. Lincoln a year away. Prosper lost to Smithfield but Prosper did all she could, just not good enough defense. She was the better pitcher that day and today.

[rivah230]

Hey Burke-Is this not a comment that takes a shot? I do not see your removal comment on this? What is the deal?


Thanks-nice to see your on it.

[CoachBell]

Mills and Prosper by far. Lincoln a year away. Prosper lost to Smithfield but Prosper did all she could, just not good enough defense. She was the better pitcher that day and today.

I think all three deserve top picks for District -- as for Prosper better over Lincoln in their first meeting, not sure if I can agree with that, equally as good, maybe? But better really can't agree. In the game Lincoln (Credited w/ Shutout, 7ks, 3 hits, 1 BB) Prosper (5ks, 4 hits, 0 BB)

Things could be different when they go head to head again. It will be as exciting as the first game. Prosper did a very good job and I agree the 1 error cost them game. It very well have been extra innings on that particular day. Again both pitchers did a great job - to say one was better than the other on that day wouldn't be a fair statement.

[sportsfan1]

I think all three deserve top picks for District -- as for Prosper better over Lincoln in their first meeting, not sure if I can agree with that, equally as good, maybe? But better really can't agree. In the game Lincoln (Credited w/ Shutout, 7ks, 3 hits, 1 BB) Prosper (5ks, 4 hits, 0 BB)

Things could be different when they go head to head again. It will be as exciting as the first game. Prosper did a very good job and I agree the 1 error cost them game. It very well have been extra innings on that particular day. Again both pitchers did a great job - to say one was better than the other on that day wouldn't be a fair statement.

People are impressed with Prosper because she was never a full time pitcher on any team she played on. We played on her team for 2 years on saw this 1st hand. We know Coach Bell your not going to agree with anyone as you made sure on every travel team(seven) that your daughter did alot of the pitching and many lessons. We played on Prospers team and knew her parents and they had 2 kids playing at the same time and could not afford lessons for their kids. We haven't seen you in a while Ashley but keep up the good work!! Everyone agrees its most impressive you are equal to anyone out there and the best part is you aren't arrogant. The kid always has a smile on her face.
:clap2:

[softball93]

From the games that I have seen I would go with Mills, Prosper, Gibb, then Lincoln.

[PackerMom]

People are impressed with Prosper because she was never a full time pitcher on any team she played on. We played on her team for 2 years on saw this 1st hand. We know Coach Bell your not going to agree with anyone as you made sure on every travel team(seven) that your daughter did alot of the pitching and many lessons. We played on Prospers team and knew her parents and they had 2 kids playing at the same time and could not afford lessons for their kids. We haven't seen you in a while Ashley but keep up the good work!! Everyone agrees its most impressive you are equal to anyone out there and the best part is you aren't arrogant. The kid always has a smile on her face.
:clap2:


Are you implying Lincoln is arrogant? You apparently do not even know her. Anyone who knows Lincoln or who has taken the time to talk to her knows that is far from the truth. Also Prosper is good but you apparently don't know much about her either. In order to pitch you need someone to work with you and teach you whether you pay for lesson or not. You don't just go out and throw a rise ball without learning from someone. THat is a lesson. It then takes hard work and a lot of practice along with good work ethic. I do not know Prosper but from what I have seen on these post, she must have the work ethic.

You also have a problem with Lincoln. I am sure she tries out for a team like everyone else and is chosen to play on the team for her ablities as a pitcher. The coaches choice not her father. Like you know prosper I know lincoln. She spends her time on the bench and is there to support her team.

I have viewed some of your post. I do not know who you are but apparently have a problem with Smithfield. You are real fast to put them down. Fact is BRD has a lot of talent on different teams. Most games have been won and lost by a small margin.

Several of the teams have strong pitchers so it is coming down to who has the best defense and offense.

[sportsfan1]

Are you implying Lincoln is arrogant? You apparently do not even know her. Anyone who knows Lincoln or who has taken the time to talk to her knows that is far from the truth. Also Prosper is good but you apparently don't know much about her either. In order to pitch you need someone to work with you and teach you whether you pay for lesson or not. You don't just go out and throw a rise ball without learning from someone. THat is a lesson. It then takes hard work and a lot of practice along with good work ethic. I do not know Prosper but from what I have seen on these post, she must have the work ethic.

You also have a problem with Lincoln. I am sure she tries out for a team like everyone else and is chosen to play on the team for her ablities as a pitcher. The coaches choice not her father. Like you know prosper I know lincoln. She spends her time on the bench and is there to support her team.

I have viewed some of your post. I do not know who you are but apparently have a problem with Smithfield. You are real fast to put them down. Fact is BRD has a lot of talent on different teams. Most games have been won and lost by a small margin.

Several of the teams have strong pitchers so it is coming down to who has the best defense and offense.

NO one anywhere on this forum at least not me has said anything about Lincoln. We all know the kids from travel ball and I have never made a post about Smithfield before except to Smithfield packer fan thanking him for supporting all girls and not just girls from his school. No one has any idea what you are talking about but we all are just saying that we like dispostion and demeanor of the Prosper kid that doesn't mean we are saying anything about any other kid. I think your missing point. NO one has implied anything about anyone. As far as throwing rise balls and any other pitches Prosper does this and puts in as much time as any other pitcher. All of us over here know how talented BRD and PD are and all posts have said that as well. I think everyone should just be happy for all these girls and that their not doing the bad things they could be doing. GOOD LUCK TO ALL FEMALE ATHLETES! PLAY HARD !!

[PackerMom]

NO one anywhere on this forum at least not me has said anything about Lincoln. We all know the kids from travel ball and I have never made a post about Smithfield before except to Smithfield packer fan thanking him for supporting all girls and not just girls from his school. No one has any idea what you are talking about but we all are just saying that we like dispostion and demeanor of the Prosper kid that doesn't mean we are saying anything about any other kid. I think your missing point. NO one has implied anything about anyone. As far as throwing rise balls and any other pitches Prosper does this and puts in as much time as any other pitcher. All of us over here know how talented BRD and PD are and all posts have said that as well. I think everyone should just be happy for all these girls and that their not doing the bad things they could be doing. GOOD LUCK TO ALL FEMALE ATHLETES! PLAY HARD !!


I must have just misread what you were saying in your post. Making comments of how many teams she particapated on. Then making a comment comparing the lessons she had compared to Prosper not having any. I feel as you do that Prosper is a very good pitcher(But to say she has not had any lessons can not be accurate). Prosper is one of the best in the BRD for the year. Since you made so many comparisons of the two then made the off handed comment about her attitude, it felt you were comparing the two again indirectly. I apoligize for my misunderstanding your post.

If you read my post you will see I am not being negative to no one. I feel that the team is not getting the credit they deserve. The pitching is very strong and it is coming down to who has the best team. Because unless someone has all strike outs it is the team that is accomplishing the shut outs. So like I said. It is coming down to which team will have the less errors, the best defense and the best offense. It is not just about who the best pitcher is. Good Luck to all teams on both sides of the water in both district.

[hogan]

I have had the opportunity to see the "top" pitchers in the BRD several times. Putting them in a particular order is not easy. The top '3' in no particular order are Mills, Prosper, and Carroll. Lincoln follows closely behind this group of '3'.

[YC Sports Look]

Is the Smithfield pitcher (Lincoln) Coach Bell's daughter?



I must have just misread what you were saying in your post. Making comments of how many teams she particapated on. Then making a comment comparing the lessons she had compared to Prosper not having any. I feel as you do that Prosper is a very good pitcher(But to say she has not had any lessons can not be accurate). Prosper is one of the best in the BRD for the year. Since you made so many comparisons of the two then made the off handed comment about her attitude, it felt you were comparing the two again indirectly. I apoligize for my misunderstanding your post.

If you read my post you will see I am not being negative to no one. I feel that the team is not getting the credit they deserve. The pitching is very strong and it is coming down to who has the best team. Because unless someone has all strike outs it is the team that is accomplishing the shut outs. So like I said. It is coming down to which team will have the less errors, the best defense and the best offense. It is not just about who the best pitcher is. Good Luck to all teams on both sides of the water in both district.

[softball93]

I really think that you have to put Gibbs above Lincoln. Gibbs has won both games in the matchup.

[sballin17]

Is the Smithfield pitcher (Lincoln) Coach Bell's daughter?
yes she is.:)

[Fastpitch Fan]

I know everyone wants to avidly defend any perceived slight for their team’s players and it is easy to vilify athletes that may be competing for air time on these forums and possibly the paper. Just remember that the girls, their friends and families read these forums and it is possible to get everyone’s point across without belittling any particular player, coach or parent. All of these young ladies are working extremely hard which is evident in the results. No one team is dominating the conference, the majority of the games are close and the majority of the outcomes have come down to one or two key plays that could have gone either way. Whether it has been determined by a key hit, or an offensive or defensive play they have been entertaining games to follow. Two of the current conference leaders have lost to teams that are currently below .500 and if you look at who has beaten who it is like a round robin.

Now my take on the Pitchers of the BRD is let’s look at the whole instead of the individuals. When has the pitching in the conference been represented so well? There are probably 4, 5, or possibly 6 (and I am not giving names) pitchers that have legitimate arguments at being one of the top in the conference. It has not been that long ago that if the BRD had 2 top notch pitchers it was an event. This year we have how many and I can only hope next year is the same. So let’s keep the discussions civil and occasionally look at the forest. I commend the pitchers who have all worked so hard and caution them to always remember there team mates for without them they are alone.

[PACKER BACKER]

Now my take on the Pitchers of the BRD is let’s look at the whole instead of the individuals. When has the pitching in the conference been represented so well? There are probably 4, 5, or possibly 6 (and I am not giving names) pitchers that have legitimate arguments at being one of the top in the conference. It has not been that long ago that if the BRD had 2 top notch pitchers it was an event. This year we have how many and I can only hope next year is the same. So let’s keep the discussions civil and occasionally look at the forest. I commend the pitchers who have all worked so hard and caution them to always remember there team mates for without them they are alone.
Well said Fastpitch Fan. It WAS just a few short years ago when two teams in particular had stellar performers pitching and when those two teams hooked up, it was ALWAYS an extra inning affair. I remember one game in particular that lasted 14 or 15 innings? Both young ladies had about 20+ K's each. It does seem as though the pitching quality has improved greatly throughout the ENTIRE BRD. I think it's partly due to the many different travel teams available to the ladies these days. I think it's great seeing so much parity in the district. Every team knows that they need to bring their A game, every game or they'll go home with that "L" hung on them.
As some other posters have already pointed out, each of the top tier pitchers in the district bring something different to the table and I for one would NOT want to be the one to try to label "The Best".

Just a friendly observation here, I have known Coach Bell, his wife and Alora for MANY years and their other children as well. They're good people. Alora has ALWAYS been nothing less than completely focused and determined on a softball field. She's a fierce competitor. Coach Bell has done his level headed best to help promote and organize Fastpitch Softball in this area. He has dedicated many, many hours of his time and his families time to try to help benefit the cause. Some people on here seem to find it difficult to say anything nice about him, to that I'll just say, you haven't taken the time to get to know him. Alpha type personalities are often the first to be ridiculed or judged because they have the take charge trait.....you shouldn't interpret that as being overbearing. Try embracing his dedication to the sport and to the ladies to which he has been helping.

[League of Their Own]

Mills, Gibbs & Lincoln are the most impressive.

[WOHS Softball Fan]

Well said Fastpitch Fan. It WAS just a few short years ago when two teams in particular had stellar performers pitching and when those two teams hooked up, it was ALWAYS an extra inning affair. I remember one game in particular that lasted 14 or 15 innings? Both young ladies had about 20+ K's each. It does seem as though the pitching quality has improved greatly throughout the ENTIRE BRD. I think it's partly due to the many different travel teams available to the ladies these days. I think it's great seeing so much parity in the district. Every team knows that they need to bring their A game, every game or they'll go home with that "L" hung on them.
As some other posters have already pointed out, each of the top tier pitchers in the district bring something different to the table and I for one would NOT want to be the one to try to label "The Best".

Just a friendly observation here, I have known Coach Bell, his wife and Alora for MANY years and their other children as well. They're good people. Alora has ALWAYS been nothing less than completely focused and determined on a softball field. She's a fierce competitor. Coach Bell has done his level headed best to help promote and organize Fastpitch Softball in this area. He has dedicated many, many hours of his time and his families time to try to help benefit the cause. Some people on here seem to find it difficult to say anything nice about him, to that I'll just say, you haven't taken the time to get to know him. Alpha type personalities are often the first to be ridiculed or judged because they have the take charge trait.....you shouldn't interpret that as being overbearing. Try embracing his dedication to the sport and to the ladies to which he has been helping.

Well said Packer Backer...I could not agree with you more. Coach Bell has done a great job keeping softball around this area and bringing more tournaments to our area! GOOD JOB COACH BELL! Alora keep up the great work! :clap2:

[YC Sports Look]

There appears to be a large amount of sensitivity and or passion to the spirit of these posts. Bottomline is what do the statistics say, not sure what is driving the posts by Packerbacker and WOHS Softball Fan if you are going to come on the forum and provide your insight good bad or indifferrent be prepared for response from all participants, you need to get a thicker skin. What is absolutely surprising is the beginning of this post there were the yahoo's evaluating the Smithfield pitcher with thier opinions based on implied coaching expertise now we have these folks getting overly sensitive to the direct hits on specific teams and pitchers.

Coach Bell I am a tad surprised you have continued to engage in converrsation concerning your daughter I would have challenged all the naysayers to put their money where their mouth is based on the progression of the season the young pitcher from Smithfield has proved she can compete not only in the BRD but also the PD. I do not know any of the parties involved in these discussions however I do know that a kid should not be singled out and continually called out by name in these forms. These forums are opinions and we all have heard opinions are like ######### everyone has one. Lets get back to softball and discuss what really counts besides all the petty self serving dialog.

Terry

[PACKER BACKER]

There appears to be a large amount of sensitivity and or passion to the spirit of these posts. Bottomline is what do the statistics say, not sure what is driving the posts by Packerbacker and WOHS Softball Fan if you are going to come on the forum and provide your insight good bad or indifferrent be prepared for response from all participants, you need to get a thicker skin. What is absolutely surprising is the beginning of this post there were the yahoo's evaluating the Smithfield pitcher with thier opinions based on implied coaching expertise now we have these folks getting overly sensitive to the direct hits on specific teams and pitchers.

Coach Bell I am a tad surprised you have continued to engage in converrsation concerning your daughter I would have challenged all the naysayers to put their money where their mouth is based on the progression of the season the young pitcher from Smithfield has proved she can compete not only in the BRD but also the PD. I do not know any of the parties involved in these discussions however I do know that a kid should not be singled out and continually called out by name in these forms. These forums are opinions and we all have heard opinions are like ######### everyone has one. Lets get back to softball and discuss what really counts besides all the petty self serving dialog.

Terry
Terry,
First to clear things up, I don't have a dog in this fight. So I'm NOT oversensitive to anything about this topic. I merely know and have known Coach Bell and his family for a very long time. I had the privelege of helping him out in a tournament held at Smithfield many years ago, one the first of it's kind and size ever held at Beale Park. All I was trying to say was that some folks on here obviously do not know the man very well or they wouldn't take pokes at him in the fashion that they have. I didn't call out any names.....didn't say you were one the malcontents. However, I've always felt that the guilty speak up first. That was my first post in this thread and I could care less who felt what about it. No need for thick skin on my end. It was my opinion and I stand by it....good bad or indifferent in your eyes or anyone elses....it is my opinion and unless you are posting only scores and nothing else, it's all opinions on this board. Heck - even scored errors have come to be a proven point of contention - rightly so in my eyes, I might add. The one portion of my post that wasn't opinion was how I talked about how much time and energy and effort that Coach Bell has put into the local Fastpitch scene, you nor anyone else can argue that point - ever.
You don't really think that your comments here weren't self serving petty comments as well? Do you?

[YC Sports Look]

Whats your point?

Terry,
First to clear things up, I don't have a dog in this fight. So I'm NOT oversensitive to anything about this topic. I merely know and have known Coach Bell and his family for a very long time. I had the privelege of helping him out in a tournament held at Smithfield many years ago, one the first of it's kind and size ever held at Beale Park. All I was trying to say was that some folks on here obviously do not know the man very well or they wouldn't take pokes at him in the fashion that they have. I didn't call out any names.....didn't say you were one the malcontents. However, I've always felt that the guilty speak up first. That was my first post in this thread and I could care less who felt what about it. No need for thick skin on my end. It was my opinion and I stand by it....good bad or indifferent in your eyes or anyone elses....it is my opinion and unless you are posting only scores and nothing else, it's all opinions on this board. Heck - even scored errors have come to be a proven point of contention - rightly so in my eyes, I might add. The one portion of my post that wasn't opinion was how I talked about how much time and energy and effort that Coach Bell has put into the local Fastpitch scene, you nor anyone else can argue that point - ever.
You don't really think that your comments here weren't self serving petty comments as well? Do you?

[CoachBell]

Hey folks let's all get back to praising and uplifting the sport and the girls that play the game. Terry thanks for all your support and Packer Backer yours. We all love the sport or wouldn't take time to make posts to it.

There are girls from the Beach to Northern VA that I have had the pleasure to work with coaching, clinics, instruction, or as a competitors and I can tell you I have enjoyed every minute of it.

I was once a avid Baseball fan and ran a program for MLB called Diamond Skills now Pepsi Pitch Hit and Run(actually started it in VA), prior to getting married, but once into Fastpitch Softball I haven't looked back IT IS THE GREATEST SHOW ON DIRT. PLAY HARD and LEAVE IT ON THE FIELD - To all the girls out there who play the game - BE IN IT TO WIN IT BUT REMEMBER ALWAYS DO IT BECAUSE YOU LOVE IT! Have FUN! Thanks to all who play the game and take their time to make the sport better.

[underdog562]

Mills is hard to beat these days.

[CoachBell]

I agree, I will have the opportunity to watcher her today weather permitting.

[BRwatchdog]

Mills, no question

[CoachBell]

Agreed on Mills

[brightlights]

Mills is looking for a another title.

[brdsoftballfan]

i understand that the lincon pitcher is doing a wonderful job as a freshman pitcher. but if yall dont recall Gleason for tabb was a starting pitcher last year too. as a freshman. and she did an amazing job. its not new for things to be shaken up a bit by a new pitcher.

[SmithfieldFan]

Ok...let's not make a forum to stroke your ego. If your freshman daughter is so good then let others say it. It's sad when you have to toot your own horn.

I will definitely say it for them, the young lady Erin really throws heat. I definitely like watching her pitch.