Why Is This Allowed?

[twiceasnice757]

Why are softball players allowed to wear sweatshirts and sweatpants over their uniforms while on the field of play? This almost seems like it makes a mockery of the sport. I don't care if it's cold outside, then wear uniform bottoms that are pants, or wear some underarmour beneath the jersey. I couldn't help but notice this at the Woodside/Kecoughtan game. All I could do was laugh (as in what a shame to the sport of softball). Imagine if this were to happen in baseball, or football or soccer. Athletes are held to a higher standard, they are bread to be tough, even if the elements are against them. Anyone have any views or thoughts on this??????

[ayoung019]

They are most likely allowed to do this in other sports. As long as the sweatpants and sweatshirt have the team name or number its fine.

[SIGMASAM757]

i think i would agree with you 19

[YC Sports Look]

VHSL sanctioning requires uniformity but interpretation is left to the coach if one wears sweatshirts do the rest? There is clothing made for cold weather but I am not sure that schools can afford to issue uniform cold weather gear in order to comply with the rules. Still the coach is the authority I would say.

TF

[kochanie803]

if im cold im wearin a flippin sweatshirt regardless of what you think looks funny...i dont think it matters what youre wearing if i can hit and throw and catch a ball just as well as the girl over there freezing her fingers off cuz shes too cool and too tough to wear a hoodie. same way with the girls who do up their hair with the ribbons and make sure their make up is just right...thats cool..who cares what were doing, we like to look good. so what if were playing softball we still want to look our best. so im gonna keep on wearing my hoodies when its cold and my make up at all times and look in the mirror every now and then to check my ribbons. :]

[Hawkeye06]

This is why the separation from girls sports and guys sports is getting large every year. And the funny thing about it is the girls have no idea it is happening.

Here is my case on that:

1. boys where a regular helmet. girls where a helmet with a facemask and chin strap.

why is this?? i guess the powers that be don't want anything to happen to the girls pretty little face.

2. Girls where shorts(most really short).. guys where long pants.
Why is this. is it to allow the girls free-er movement with shorts rather than pants.. or is it so that the girls can look "cute while they play" (i know most times its the school or coaches decision)

isn't that the reason for the ribbions and the make-up.(to look cute)

oh and i can't tell you the last time i have seen a guy with a sliding pad on. slideing shorts maybe, sliding pad! no!


3. girls are aloud to where sweats during the game, guys don't with the exception of the pitcher that gets on base (a jacket).

another instants of babying the girls.

i don't think that this is an high school softball issue more so a Softball as a sport issue. The girls need to lose the face guard, lose sweats, lose the make up and where long pants (which save there pretty little legs)

Until this happens, people from outside the softball community will never give this sport the respect it deserves.

so i guess you should wear your makeup and your sweats with no numbers on the back...but make no mistake people are BABYing you as an athlete.

[softballfan9]

oh and i can't tell you the last time i have seen a guy with a sliding pad on. slideing shorts maybe, sliding pad! no!


I don't know what the sliding pad issue is, or the sweats for all that goes. Along with the sliding pads, not all girls wear them. I know when I play, I play in my uniform and sliding shorts. Oh, so that must be because I don't want to get strawberries on my legs, correct ? No. When the face mask rule came along, 3/4's of the softball players didn't want to use them, and still don't. It's some what of a vision obstruction, and a lot of players don't like them. Schools control what uniforms teams get, if they get pants, they get pants. If they get shorts, they get shorts. The team itself can't control what the athletic director orders. The sweats can be worn as long as you can see the players number, and the rest of the team is wearing them, all for one and one for all. Underneath it all, I really don't see the huge problem with trying to stay warm, whether it's girls or boys doesn't matter. If boys wore shorts, they would probably want to put sweats over them when it was cold out too.

[twiceasnice757]

[quote=softballfan9;36202] The sweats can be worn as long as you can see the players number, and the rest of the team is wearing them, all for one and one for all.

I hear you on what you're saying, but only one girl had on the hoodie and sweatpants.

[twiceasnice757]

This is why the separation from girls sports and guys sports is getting large every year. And the funny thing about it is the girls have no idea it is happening.

Here is my case on that:

1. boys where a regular helmet. girls where a helmet with a facemask and chin strap.

why is this?? i guess the powers that be don't want anything to happen to the girls pretty little face.

2. Girls where shorts(most really short).. guys where long pants.
Why is this. is it to allow the girls free-er movement with shorts rather than pants.. or is it so that the girls can look "cute while they play" (i know most times its the school or coaches decision)

isn't that the reason for the ribbions and the make-up.(to look cute)

oh and i can't tell you the last time i have seen a guy with a sliding pad on. slideing shorts maybe, sliding pad! no!


3. girls are aloud to where sweats during the game, guys don't with the exception of the pitcher that gets on base (a jacket).

another instants of babying the girls.

i don't think that this is an high school softball issue more so a Softball as a sport issue. The girls need to lose the face guard, lose sweats, lose the make up and where long pants (which save there pretty little legs)

Until this happens, people from outside the softball community will never give this sport the respect it deserves.

so i guess you should wear your makeup and your sweats with no numbers on the back...but make no mistake people are BABYing you as an athlete.

I couldn't agree with you more. Womens sports strive so hard for equal opportunity and fairness, but then there are many examples like the ones you made mention to.

[softballfan9]

I know that only one girl had on her sweats, and in all fairness to her, I don't blame her. But, maybe the coaches weren't aware of the rule. If the opposing teams, and the umpires didn't mind, why raise conflict ?

[twiceasnice757]

Wasn't trying to raise conflict. Was just an observation, and I bet you won't see any of the boys athletics doing that. As a former coach of female athletics, you wouldn't see any of my players doing that, to each his own.

[CoachBell]

You will find them mostly in School ball, in travel ball you will not find much of this except in the snow at the Cabin Fever tournament but typically they are all dressed alike. And boys would also be in them but dressed alike. Again I think the largest part that you all describe is in school ball where there may or may not be quite as much discipline due to the confines of the need to have players playing because of districts but in travel ball there are no boundaries for players.

But again to each their own on this topic.

CB

[PDSBFan]

I don't think appearence is a concern for some coaches. I know some teams don't have sweats and the girls don't want to buy matching clothes, but some of them look terrible. Shirts tails out, different color undershirts and mismatch sweats. Do you think a college coach would want to recruit a sloppy person?

[softballfan9]

Agreed, everyone has their own opinion, and I understand no one wanted to cause trouble. But, with the Kecoughtan - Woodside game, I didn't see any problem in the KHS shortstop wearing her sweats. In my opinion, do what you can to stay warm and play your best ball. Now, if you're worried about colleges recruiting you because of your appearance, than so be it. Honestly, I think colleges are more worried about talent, though.

[CoachBell]

Like wise colleges don't (maybe on rare occasions) recruit from High School. High School is a formality for academics and the inclusion between juggling academics with playing on a school team. For girls it is more important to have good grades. We can site case after case where some athletes (boys) are dumb as a rock and because they could spell their name but can play BALL then they get recruited. Girls are not that forfunate. And male sports typically get first dibs on everything from fields to equipment. Title IX helped some but there is alot of room for continued improvement for equality with the financial side for girls sports.

Most travel teams deem it mandatory that shirt tails are tucked and players are dressed in like manner, LIKE A TEAM. What a novel idea, right? :tongue: Many times emulating that of those colleges they follow closely. School ball is played for individual and community pride but the recruitment for colleges come from Travel ball. In fact High Schools have become better because there are more girls playing travel ball than in the past and those teams that don't have travel ball players? Well you can tell, if the school is new they have young travel ball players. Basically the travel ball coaches are the manufactures and the High School coaches are the conductor of the schools softball symphony. And they all both Travel ball and High School coaches are getting better. Both from time to time finding ways for personal growth in the sport and not always thinking their way is the only way. And the understanding that the sport is evolving from the bats to the cleats.

I am all for having the girls all dress the part of a ball player -- personally can't stand all the sloppiness that comes with the school sport (for some teams) but hey to each their own.

[YC Sports Look]

Before we get ahead of ourselves and over analyze this issue concerning uniforms the root of the problem is stated right here in the post by kochaie803


"if im cold im wearin a flippin sweatshirt regardless of what you think looks funny...i dont think it matters what youre wearing"


Apparently she has no sense on what TEAM means, if her coach allows her to wear whatever SHE is comfortable with he is ultimately to blame he may want to check how his attitude affects the rest of his team because I am sure he has kids aboard that have pride and care. The way girls softball is looked upon by other sports is also possibly rooted back to folks like kochanie803 as she also has a personal position on


"same way with the girls who do up their hair with the ribbons and make sure their make up is just right...thats cool..who cares what were doing, we like to look good. so what if were playing softball we still want to look our best. so im gonna keep on wearing my hoodies when its cold and my make up at all times and look in the mirror every now and then to check my ribbons"


The old adage is if you look well you will perform well must not have been passed to kochanie.


Girls softball has voices like Jenny Finch which if I am not mistaken is 100 percent girl not only in appearance but in skill., it is people like cochanie that break down the work folks like Finch have done to project an image that girls can look like girls and be good softball players.


Get a grip girl how you appear reflects where you come from and if you have no pride in yourself that same lack of pride bleeds into the school you represent.


I bet you are not one of the studs that plays for a established reputable travel team and has nothing but negative remarks for those that do.
if im cold im wearin a flippin sweatshirt regardless of what you think looks funny...i dont think it matters what youre wearing if i can hit and throw and catch a ball just as well as the girl over there freezing her fingers off cuz shes too cool and too tough to wear a hoodie. same way with the girls who do up their hair with the ribbons and make sure their make up is just right...thats cool..who cares what were doing, we like to look good. so what if were playing softball we still want to look our best. so im gonna keep on wearing my hoodies when its cold and my make up at all times and look in the mirror every now and then to check my ribbons. :]

[YC Sports Look]

Coach Bell

What team are you a coach for and how many college recruits have you
assisted?

Terry





Like wise colleges don't (maybe on rare occasions) recruit from High School. High School is a formality for academics and the inclusion between juggling academics with playing on a school team. For girls it is more important to have good grades. We can site case after case where some athletes (boys) are dumb as a rock and because they could spell their name but can play BALL then they get recruited. Girls are not that forfunate. And male sports typically get first dibs on everything from fields to equipment. Title IX helped some but there is alot of room for continued improvement for equality with the financial side for girls sports.

Most travel teams deem it mandatory that shirt tails are tucked and players are dressed in like manner, LIKE A TEAM. What a novel idea, right? :tongue: Many times emulating that of those colleges they follow closely. School ball is played for individual and community pride but the recruitment for colleges come from Travel ball. In fact High Schools have become better because there are more girls playing travel ball than in the past and those teams that don't have travel ball players? Well you can tell, if the school is new they have young travel ball players. Basically the travel ball coaches are the manufactures and the High School coaches are the conductor of the schools softball symphony. And they all both Travel ball and High School coaches are getting better. Both from time to time finding ways for personal growth in the sport and not always thinking their way is the only way. And the understanding that the sport is evolving from the bats to the cleats.

I am all for having the girls all dress the part of a ball player -- personally can't stand all the sloppiness that comes with the school sport (for some teams) but hey to each their own.

[hoggystyle26]

as a BRD player, my personal opinion is that sweats in warm ups are fine... but when it comes to game time uniformity is more presentable and should be required. sweatshirts and sweatpants take away from the appearance of the team... and call me shallow but appearances are either intimidating or they arent. and sweats defeat the purpose of the look we try to uphold.

[YC Sports Look]

Does the term GIRLS SOFTBALL mean anything to you????????????


This is why the separation from girls sports and guys sports is getting large every year. And the funny thing about it is the girls have no idea it is happening.

Here is my case on that:

1. boys where a regular helmet. girls where a helmet with a facemask and chin strap.

why is this?? i guess the powers that be don't want anything to happen to the girls pretty little face.

2. Girls where shorts(most really short).. guys where long pants.
Why is this. is it to allow the girls free-er movement with shorts rather than pants.. or is it so that the girls can look "cute while they play" (i know most times its the school or coaches decision)

isn't that the reason for the ribbions and the make-up.(to look cute)

oh and i can't tell you the last time i have seen a guy with a sliding pad on. slideing shorts maybe, sliding pad! no!


3. girls are aloud to where sweats during the game, guys don't with the exception of the pitcher that gets on base (a jacket).

another instants of babying the girls.

i don't think that this is an high school softball issue more so a Softball as a sport issue. The girls need to lose the face guard, lose sweats, lose the make up and where long pants (which save there pretty little legs)

Until this happens, people from outside the softball community will never give this sport the respect it deserves.

so i guess you should wear your makeup and your sweats with no numbers on the back...but make no mistake people are BABYing you as an athlete.

[sassafrass]

FYI - Kecoughtan issues sweats to each of their players to be worn during the cold games and practices. I know for a fact that other schools do as well. Other schools players wear their sweats during the games when the weather calls for it. The sweats have the same logo on the front as the uniform top and the players number is on the back. The shortstop wasn't the only KHS player wearing her sweats by the way. If you people have nothing better to do then to complain about a player being able to be warm while playing ball you then really need to get a life!

[Sportsdad62]

FYI - Kecoughtan issues sweats to each of their players to be worn during the cold games and practices. I know for a fact that other schools do as well. Other schools players wear their sweats during the games when the weather calls for it. The sweats have the same logo on the front as the uniform top and the players number is on the back. The shortstop wasn't the only KHS player wearing her sweats by the way. If you people have nothing better to do then to complain about a player being able to be warm while playing ball you then really need to get a life!


I think the whole point of this topic is that all players should be dressed the same during a game. Kecoughtan players all wear something different when they are on the field. A team should look like a team. Some of the players wear shorts, some sweats, some the jerseys and others wear sweatshirts. I would agree that when the weather is colder the players can wear sweats and sweatshirts with the name and number on them, but that isn't the case with KHS. For example, at a recent game I was at, Alexander wore her sweatpants with a sleeveless jersey. Being cold wasn't the reason or she would have had on a sweatshirt or underarmour. It looks more professional when a team is all dressed alike. On the team my daughter played for, all the girls wore the same uniform. If one girl wore her underarmour, they all did. Obviously that's okay with the coach of KHS so it should be okay with the other teams. These teams are respresenting their school, so I think its looks nice when a team walks out on the field looking like a team.

[sassafrass]

Actually if that is the point, then it's just silly. Some are saying they are more "professional" if wearing the same thing. They aren't professional players they are young girls playing a game. They are wearing green and white and I promise you every girl with a sweat suit on is wearing her entire uniform underneath. I'm done with this thread because it's absurd. Uh oh better go look at the photo gallery, looks like Menchville has a couple of players wearing sweats, call the fashion police!

[YC Sports Look]

There you have it sassafrass just reiterates the problem, sassafrass get with the program you are on a team. by the way are you even a player and do you play or watch




Actually if that is the point, then it's just silly. Some are saying they are more "professional" if wearing the same thing. They aren't professional players they are young girls playing a game. They are wearing green and white and I promise you every girl with a sweat suit on is wearing her entire uniform underneath. I'm done with this thread because it's absurd. Uh oh better go look at the photo gallery, looks like Menchville has a couple of players wearing sweats, call the fashion police!

[Sportsdad62]

Actually if that is the point, then it's just silly. Some are saying they are more "professional" if wearing the same thing. They aren't professional players they are young girls playing a game. They are wearing green and white and I promise you every girl with a sweat suit on is wearing her entire uniform underneath. I'm done with this thread because it's absurd. Uh oh better go look at the photo gallery, looks like Menchville has a couple of players wearing sweats, call the fashion police!


I realize these aren't professional players but they still are on a team and should look like one. Most of the KHS team wears a uniform but none of them wear the same pieces at the same time. Most all other PD teams wear the uniform and look like a real team. KHS looks like a bunch of girls put a scrimmage team for fun. What's the point of wearing sweatpants and a sleeveless jersey. My point is, the team doesn't represent their school very well. I think we all have a right to our opinions, even if they are considered "silly" by people like yourself. I thought the first post brought up a very good point. It doesn't take away from the fact that KHS is a good softball team, because they are. They just don't look like a real team. Like I said before if the coach is okay with that, then that's his choice. At the KHS games I have been too for the past few years, people in the stands comment about the way the team looks at every game. My daughter's coach never allowed that and still doesn't. I have been to many Menchville games and have NEVER noticed a girl playing in her sweatpants. I have also searched the entire photo gallery and see no photos that you are referring too of a couple MHS girls playing in sweatpants. Can you let me know what page of the gallery they are on.

[kochanie803]

YC.. could you please make up your mind on who youre going to side with here? thank you. jenny finch made sure she portrayed the image of a woman...have you not seen the pink merch? like i was saying...girls sports and boys sports are different yeah we know. do you think gymnastics should all wear the same uniforms? what about swimmers?
if were trying to make things equal here lets put some more money into the WNBA...or lets get major league softball..think about that.

and yes we have different uniforms thats true. not all the girls teams wear shorts. gloucester denbigh and warwick wear the baseball pant style, while woodside and bethel wear the shorts. that doesnt matter.

sliding shorts...thats a personal preference. i honestly dont want huge bruises and strawberries on my legs and if its possible to prevent that..then why not?

helmets...why not have extra protection for my "pretty little face?" if the tough baseball players want the risk of breaking noses and busted out teeth thats fine, but dont talk at us like were sissy girls who dont want to get hurt. do you want to get hurt? a lot of you prolly dont even play ball. how about you stand at the plate with a wild 60mph pitch coming at your face and tell me you dont want a face mask.

why dont we just take away the entire helmet? why dont we just play naked no pads no gloves no nothing. what about the catchers are they any less tough because of all their equipment..no. and everything aside, the girls dont make the decision as to what we wear in the first place. take this up with the athletic directors and the VHSL. theyre the ones.

MY MAIN QUESTION is why must the girls and boys sports be made equal..i dont want to wear mens clothing so womens sports can be taken more seriously. regardless of what we wear, what kind of equipment we use, were still a girls sport its still girls softball and baseball will always be taken more seriously. as with football and basketball and whatever else. being more like the boys wont do anything. were women and were not changing that.

[softball911]

I personally don`t think that players should be allowed to wear sweatshirts and sweatpants during a regular season game. If they wear them during a scrimmage game that should be ok but not once they start regulation play. I know that some teams do especially if they have numbers on the back and or front.The pitcher should be allowed to put on a sweatshirt or jacket when running the bases to keep their arm warm.The only team that I have noticed without numbers on their sweatshirts is Warwick. They do have several girls that wear sweatshirts and jackets on the playing field.One reason I don`t like it is because a player is standing out there freezing to death and worried about keeping their hands warm so they have them stuffed inside the pockets of their jacket or sweatshirt and sometimes the time that it takes to get thier hands free from the pockets may find them missing a ball that they should of had but was not in postion to do so. Believe me I have seen it happen.It may sound silly but this is true.Uniformity should be important and should be instilled at the beginning of the season.Denbigh , Hampton and Menchville have been three of the best dresssed teams thus far that I have seen.Warwick`s coaching staff issues Warwick softball tshirts for practices and that is what those girls have to wear every day J.V. and Varsity.
I`m surprise they let their players wear jackets and sweatshirts during a game
when they are all about dressing alike in practice.

[Hawkeye06]

YC.. could you please make up your mind on who youre going to side with here? thank you. jenny finch made sure she portrayed the image of a woman...have you not seen the pink merch? like i was saying...girls sports and boys sports are different yeah we know. do you think gymnastics should all wear the same uniforms? what about swimmers?
if were trying to make things equal here lets put some more money into the WNBA...or lets get major league softball..think about that.

and yes we have different uniforms thats true. not all the girls teams wear shorts. gloucester denbigh and warwick wear the baseball pant style, while woodside and bethel wear the shorts. that doesnt matter.

sliding shorts...thats a personal preference. i honestly dont want huge bruises and strawberries on my legs and if its possible to prevent that..then why not?

helmets...why not have extra protection for my "pretty little face?" if the tough baseball players want the risk of breaking noses and busted out teeth thats fine, but dont talk at us like were sissy girls who dont want to get hurt. do you want to get hurt? a lot of you prolly dont even play ball. how about you stand at the plate with a wild 60mph pitch coming at your face and tell me you dont want a face mask.

why dont we just take away the entire helmet? why dont we just play naked no pads no gloves no nothing. what about the catchers are they any less tough because of all their equipment..no. and everything aside, the girls dont make the decision as to what we wear in the first place. take this up with the athletic directors and the VHSL. theyre the ones.

MY MAIN QUESTION is why must the girls and boys sports be made equal..i dont want to wear mens clothing so womens sports can be taken more seriously. regardless of what we wear, what kind of equipment we use, were still a girls sport its still girls softball and baseball will always be taken more seriously. as with football and basketball and whatever else. being more like the boys wont do anything. were women and were not changing that.

Wow! i think you just set womens sports back 20 years with those comments.
I can't have battle of wits with someone whom is unarmed. sorry.

and i think alexander is a pitcher so she might not pitch as well with a huge sweatshirt on.

Was the original comment/consern with the KHS or WoHS. and was it jv or varsity.

[kochanie803]

im not setting womens sports back at all.

what point are we trying to reach in womens sports anyways?

arent we tired of hearing the general consensus that "all softball players are manly" "theyre all huge dykes" and things like that? thats one stereotype we want away with but at the same time you guys are in here trying to make us more like the boys?

if thats the case..making girls and boys sports more the same..then we should combine them. no such thing as girls soccer or boys soccer. just soccer. how would that be?

or why dont we make a softball field the same size as a baseball field? why dont we have rugby teams instead of football teams? if youre gonna have this opinion with our uniform selection and what we wear in the cold then you must have the same opinion regarding all high school sports.

what should the swimmers do really should we all wear little speedos or should we all wear a one piece? i mean, if were gonna do the boys and girls should be the same thing...

[WOODSIDE soccer coach]

Just my 2 cents... but in soccer, we are not allowed to wear anything that is not the official uniform. Both the boys and the girls. My players can't even wear different colored headbands and the under armor must match the team colors of the uniform. I agree with everyone here.. if you play in different clothing or uniforms you are individuals. Teams look like teams, as well as play like teams. Pretty soon it will be ok to drive to every game on your own and things of that nature.. My coach always said.. is you lose at least lose looking good and as a team.

[kissmygrits]

This is a moot point. When it's cold out for a game, the girls may wear the school sweatshirts. What's the big deal?? If you dont like it complainers, when you have a team, outfit your team as you see fit! I hope you have loads of monies to fund this. Some schools and families deal with what they are dealt. Soon it will be warm and it wont matter. If sweatshirts bother you so badly then dont go to those offensive uniform games. :tongue:

[kochanie803]

^^ amen:clap2:

[softball93]

YC.. could you please make up your mind on who youre going to side with here? thank you. jenny finch made sure she portrayed the image of a woman...have you not seen the pink merch? like i was saying...girls sports and boys sports are different yeah we know. do you think gymnastics should all wear the same uniforms? what about swimmers?
if were trying to make things equal here lets put some more money into the WNBA...or lets get major league softball..think about that.

and yes we have different uniforms thats true. not all the girls teams wear shorts. gloucester denbigh and warwick wear the baseball pant style, while woodside and bethel wear the shorts. that doesnt matter.

sliding shorts...thats a personal preference. i honestly dont want huge bruises and strawberries on my legs and if its possible to prevent that..then why not?

helmets...why not have extra protection for my "pretty little face?" if the tough baseball players want the risk of breaking noses and busted out teeth thats fine, but dont talk at us like were sissy girls who dont want to get hurt. do you want to get hurt? a lot of you prolly dont even play ball. how about you stand at the plate with a wild 60mph pitch coming at your face and tell me you dont want a face mask.

why dont we just take away the entire helmet? why dont we just play naked no pads no gloves no nothing. what about the catchers are they any less tough because of all their equipment..no. and everything aside, the girls dont make the decision as to what we wear in the first place. take this up with the athletic directors and the VHSL. theyre the ones.

MY MAIN QUESTION is why must the girls and boys sports be made equal..i dont want to wear mens clothing so womens sports can be taken more seriously. regardless of what we wear, what kind of equipment we use, were still a girls sport its still girls softball and baseball will always be taken more seriously. as with football and basketball and whatever else. being more like the boys wont do anything. were women and were not changing that.


This may be the first time I have ever agreed with anything you have ever said. Before I began to type I was standing up and cheering you out loud. You have not set women sports back 20 years. I agree that there are VHSL rules that govern the uniform and the wearing thereof. I also know that there are special provisions made for cold weather to protect the health of the players. I am glad you feel that you are a woman and you are proud of it. Women's sports will never get the attention of male sports, not because they aren't as good or it isn't as exciting, but because it will just never happen. Title IX has not brought equality. That is something attendance has to bring. When the american public realizes that they have the power then things will change. How long would professional basketball last if every night there were no people in the stands? So nice job girl. I am your biggest fan "for the time being"

[softball911]

If you have a team then you should want your team to look like a team when they take the field.Not one player wearing this and one player wearing that.It has nothing to due with fundsThe school provides uniforms that are all alike and they also provide undershirts that can be warn underneath. Just because the turtlenecks may not be the name brand compression shirts that everybody pays big bucks for it still is good enough to wear under your jersey.The point is you should take enough pride in yourself as well as what your team looks like when you play. Did you go to regionals last year at Princess Anne when the peninsula district Warwick played.Bringing up players from jv is all well in good. if you plan on playing them at least make sure they have the same uniform on..I`m not sure if there were just one or two players that wore different uniforms . They were white but very different. In regional play?Somebody please get warwick some new uniforms for next year and get about 20 of them.And why your at it get new sweatshirts and sweatpants and make sure the sweatshirts have numbers on the back so scorekeepers , coaches and umpires can see their jersey number
especially when they come up to bat or when there are player substitutes.

[soccerplayer12]

In my opinion if you play an outdoor sport you should be prepared to play in the cold or in the heat. This is why they make underarmour. Even though you are warm isn't it harder to play in sweats.

[hubbabubba0]

How come baseball players get a home jersey and an away jersey and girls softball players don't? How come softball players are issued (not underarmour) but undershirts or turtlenecks to stay warm? And because you wear standard issue uniforms with a standard issue sweatshirt in a game you are called out for not having "Pride" in yourself or your team? And if the umpire agrees with this choice that the sweatshirt was okay? The Shallow Hals need to stop beating a dead horse. I dont think girls play softball for the fashion flare of the uniforms, they play for the love of the game and the pride of being part of a team and school spirit. Uniforms should not make or break team pride and spirit. And whoever goes to Regionals this year I sure hope they all match....what a terrible fashion blunder. That would be fashionably-incorrect. Maybe we should call out Stacey and Clinton with "What Not To Wear" and they could have all the uniforms tailored to fit!

[softball911]

I didn`t say the unforms that were worn last year didn`t fit but now that your brought it up they didn`t fit either.The uniforms should match and that is my personal thought on all of this.It`s high school sports people.It`s not a pick up game in the park or a little league game where who really cares what you wear.
Do you see soccer players in sweatshirts, members of the track team in sweatshirts. I don`t think I even see baseball players in sweatshirts and jackets except maybe in the dugout .Most umpires are not going to say to much about a player wearing a jacket or sweatshirt. They will say to the coaches and captains before the game about shirt tails being in but that usually does not last long but they should inforce that the whole game. But they don`t.Coaches are not suppose to wear jeans while their coaching in a game.Why is that do you suppose?But they can wear jackets with holes in them and wind pants , sweatsuits that are years old.Next time you see Menchville play look at their players and their coaches. they look sharp. But it will be warmer soon and the sweatshirts will come off.I`ve been around high school sports for 20 plus years and none of this will change but I have enjoyed every minute of it.

[ayoung019]

Unfortunantely your head softball coach has to order the jerseys and pants, or whatever you want to order for your team. You get new uniforms every 4 or 5 yrs. Your head coach gets together with the district atheletic director and you chose what you want. Last year and the couple years before that Menchville Softball only had one Jersey. This year they ordered new uniforms and they have a purple for away and white jersey for home. Its all in what your head coach desires. In my opinion, Menchville is the best looking team when it comes to uniforms.

[Clipperfan1964]

Did anyone watch MLB saturday in the Mets vs Atlanta game some players had underarmour and some didnt some had big shinny necklaces and some didnt. I guess there all sissys so send them an e-mail. Because they are suppose to be profesionals why cant they take off their bling-bling for the game the girls have to. My daughter pitches and tends to work up a sweat wearing underarmour so because the rest of the team is cold does she have to go from sweating to freazing and wind up sick because someone thinks it looks bad. I do believe they should look like a team and not be tacky but you can take it to far.

[mhsoftball]

Actually if that is the point, then it's just silly. Some are saying they are more "professional" if wearing the same thing. They aren't professional players they are young girls playing a game. They are wearing green and white and I promise you every girl with a sweat suit on is wearing her entire uniform underneath. I'm done with this thread because it's absurd. Uh oh better go look at the photo gallery, looks like Menchville has a couple of players wearing sweats, call the fashion police!

I have searched through the photo gallery and can't find any pictures of Menchville wearing sweats as you claim to have seen. The girls have always been required to wear matching uniforms on the field. Which page of the gallery are these "so called" pictures on.

[SoftballsLife9]

This is why the separation from girls sports and guys sports is getting large every year. And the funny thing about it is the girls have no idea it is happening.

Here is my case on that:

1. boys where a regular helmet. girls where a helmet with a facemask and chin strap.

why is this?? i guess the powers that be don't want anything to happen to the girls pretty little face.

2. Girls where shorts(most really short).. guys where long pants.
Why is this. is it to allow the girls free-er movement with shorts rather than pants.. or is it so that the girls can look "cute while they play" (i know most times its the school or coaches decision)

isn't that the reason for the ribbions and the make-up.(to look cute)

oh and i can't tell you the last time i have seen a guy with a sliding pad on. slideing shorts maybe, sliding pad! no!


3. girls are aloud to where sweats during the game, guys don't with the exception of the pitcher that gets on base (a jacket).

another instants of babying the girls.

i don't think that this is an high school softball issue more so a Softball as a sport issue. The girls need to lose the face guard, lose sweats, lose the make up and where long pants (which save there pretty little legs)

Until this happens, people from outside the softball community will never give this sport the respect it deserves.

so i guess you should wear your makeup and your sweats with no numbers on the back...but make no mistake people are BABYing you as an athlete.


Some of you are forgetting that this IS a different sport than baseball. The fields different, the ball is different, the rules are different, the whole game is different. We know the seperation is happening and we don't have a problem with it. We want respect, but not respect as in were living up to the game of baseball, we want it as a seperate sport. Were girls. We can play hard and be tough and still be babied and look cute all at the same time. The face mask is a safety thing. If it causes people to look at me and say well she's a baby because she has a face mask on then so be it. It's better than having my nose broken by a wild pitch. Many of the school ball teams I've come across actually do wear pants, and thats the coaches decision, but I would rather wear shorts. There not as hot and sticky. And it has nothing to do with "looking cute". When you come off the field and your covered in dirt, I assure you shorts aren't going to make you look any cuter. And guys dont need sliding pads if they have pants on, actually they would look really stupid with them on. But if you have shorts on and your playing on a rock hard field somewhere, your gonna want some protection. Most girls don't want their legs scratched to peices, because yes, we are girls, and when we walk off the field we turn back into girls with other lives. When I go out on Friday night, I'd rather not have a broken nose and my legs tore to peices. And the reason for the ribbons and the makeup is to look cute. Whats wrong with that? None of us want to look like guys while were out there, which is what you seem to be getting at. If looking cute doesn't affect my playing then what does it matter. I can look cute and play hard at the same time. The sweatshirt and sweatpants thing isn't a big deal. Guys don't need sweatpants because they wear pants. If its 20 degrees outside and they want to look like idiots because it makes them "tough" by not wearing a sweatshirt, then let them have at it. I'd rather not watch my skin turn blue. And actually if your cold enough, it could affect your playing as well, so whats the big deal. You talk about respect as in your comparing us to guys and baseball, but we ARE girls and we play a different sport so there has to be some difference.

[YC Sports Look]

If appearance doesn't matter why do TEAMS have uniforms. I am comfortable to say there is not a team in PD or BRD where the stud players need to make statements by dressing different then the rest of the team, so lets separate the real softball players from the clowns that dress like clowns, being prepared for inclimate weather is a common sense issue not an after thought. Following rules is one of the factors that makes people different from each other, there are the successful ones and the wannabees.
I am sure there are not many news ideas available today in being prepared for inclimate weather. Not only softball players but productive members of society follow simple rules that have been around a lot longer then any of the folks in the softball ranks. Sucessful folks have common sense, pride and discipline to present themselves well and play by the rules instead of spending time trying to be individuals there is always a time and place to be an individual but being part of a 9 memebr team does'nt lend itself to to much ME ME ME. So all you clowns and even the coach that chimed in get with the program and walk the walk or find something you can do as an individual.

[mhsoftball]

Actually if that is the point, then it's just silly. Some are saying they are more "professional" if wearing the same thing. They aren't professional players they are young girls playing a game. They are wearing green and white and I promise you every girl with a sweat suit on is wearing her entire uniform underneath. I'm done with this thread because it's absurd. Uh oh better go look at the photo gallery, looks like Menchville has a couple of players wearing sweats, call the fashion police!

I received the photo that you sent me trying to show proof that a couple MHS girls had on sweats in the game against Warwick. First of all the photo you sent me was the players on the mound AFTER the game against Warwick. One of the girls had on a sweatshirt and the other had on a gray sweatsuit. Neither of these girls played in the game and I believe one of them is actually injured. I thought you were going to show me a photo with someone on the team actually playing with sweats on. As I have stated before, Menchville wears the same uniform on the field. It is also not unheard of that a girl may grab a sweatshirt when the game is over if its cold outside. I don't think it really matters what the girls have on when the game is over anyway. We are talking about players dressing like a team when they are on the field...and Menchville does!

[MYVOICE1]

Really when you think about it, softball and football have a lot in common. Both are dominated by one gender, this is their sport, yes men play softball, but I never seen a guy spin his arm around, and pitch a seventy mph. underhanded fastball.

To sit here, and try to change their game up is crazy, that's like them trying to change up football. Its debatable, but its their game, not ours! If I'm wrong, someone give me a name of a great male softball player please! Thats what I thought!

[ChuckNorrisFan]

this is soo funny its unbelieveable.

we start out by talking about the uniforms and end up about seing if anyone could name a male softball pitcher?? That like saying name a FeMale football player in the nfl...get outta here with ur garbage

Back on topic, its about the sport. Baseball does not allow this because there coaches are strict and the players(males) are not disrespectful to the game. They play with little on and it doesnt matter how cold it is.

Football, coaches are strict to their players(males) and they are disciplined and respect their game and wear their jerseys. some pros in Green bay wear no under armor in negative weather!

Softball, coaches dont care. They are not strict. Females have different attitudes toward sports. they care about their physical features and themselves only.
They wear high shorts to attract attenchion to their Game of Softball.
They wear hoodies and sweats becuase they are too precious to be out in the cold.

It comes down to their desire for the game, and i know for a fact that 90% of the players in the PD for softball dont respect the game. they could care less about it becuase they dont believe they can make it to the next level. Goin out and lookin good each day is more important than driving in the winning run to win districts.

Untill things change, females will wear hoodies and sweats cause thats what they do. They have to be different from the Males in baseball.

They have to wear short shorts to keep things interesting in their sport, along with their ribbons and they visors.

but who cares....there just high schoolers right???....:lol:

[ayoung019]

By the way there are Male Fastpitch players. We have a local team. Cant remember the name.

[WOHS Softball Fan]

The name of the mens fastpitch team is Peninsula Merchants. I think! They play in Foxhill @ Francis Asbury. I know they just started back up last year.

[Sportsdad62]

this is soo funny its unbelieveable.

we start out by talking about the uniforms and end up about seing if anyone could name a male softball pitcher?? That like saying name a FeMale football player in the nfl...get outta here with ur garbage

Back on topic, its about the sport. Baseball does not allow this because there coaches are strict and the players(males) are not disrespectful to the game. They play with little on and it doesnt matter how cold it is.

Football, coaches are strict to their players(males) and they are disciplined and respect their game and wear their jerseys. some pros in Green bay wear no under armor in negative weather!

Softball, coaches dont care. They are not strict. Females have different attitudes toward sports. they care about their physical features and themselves only.
They wear high shorts to attract attenchion to their Game of Softball.
They wear hoodies and sweats becuase they are too precious to be out in the cold.

It comes down to their desire for the game, and i know for a fact that 90% of the players in the PD for softball dont respect the game. they could care less about it becuase they dont believe they can make it to the next level. Goin out and lookin good each day is more important than driving in the winning run to win districts.

Untill things change, females will wear hoodies and sweats cause thats what they do. They have to be different from the Males in baseball.

They have to wear short shorts to keep things interesting in their sport, along with their ribbons and they visors.

but who cares....there just high schoolers right???....:lol:

The comments you left about softball players is very disrespectful to the girls and the coaches. There are many girls out here that love the game and have dedicated themselves to the sport. If you feel that 90% of the girls in the PD don't respect the game then you don't much about the PD. Every team with the exception of 1 or 2 teams have strict policies about wearing uniforms on the field (no hoodies and sweats). I have never seen a team wearing "high" shorts so you must be watching a different game that we are. The teams that wear shorts wear them to their knees. If a girl is more worried about looking good then I highly doubt they are going to be playing sports at all, especially softball. You got on here and totally disrespected the game of softball, the players and the coaches. I don't know of a single coach in the PD that hasn't completely dedicated themselves to their team and the sport. You are a piece of work. I highly doubt you even play a sport yourself. If you do, then maybe you should be concentrating on that instead of girls high school softball.

[MYVOICE1]

By the way there are Male Fastpitch players. We have a local team. Cant remember the name. They don't even have a pro level for men in this sport so that should give you some insight on this subject!

[MYVOICE1]

this is soo funny its unbelieveable.

we start out by talking about the uniforms and end up about seing if anyone could name a male softball pitcher?? That like saying name a FeMale football player in the nfl...get outta here with ur garbage

Back on topic, its about the sport. Baseball does not allow this because there coaches are strict and the players(males) are not disrespectful to the game. They play with little on and it doesnt matter how cold it is.

Football, coaches are strict to their players(males) and they are disciplined and respect their game and wear their jerseys. some pros in Green bay wear no under armor in negative weather!

Softball, coaches dont care. They are not strict. Females have different attitudes toward sports. they care about their physical features and themselves only.
They wear high shorts to attract attenchion to their Game of Softball.
They wear hoodies and sweats becuase they are too precious to be out in the cold.

It comes down to their desire for the game, and i know for a fact that 90% of the players in the PD for softball dont respect the game. they could care less about it becuase they dont believe they can make it to the next level. Goin out and lookin good each day is more important than driving in the winning run to win districts.

Untill things change, females will wear hoodies and sweats cause thats what they do. They have to be different from the Males in baseball.

They have to wear short shorts to keep things interesting in their sport, along with their ribbons and they visors.

but who cares....there just high schoolers right???....:lol: I don't how much of my post you read, what I saying is simply, is its there choice to change whatever they feel is needed for there sport softball, this tread is a good debate, but when you break the whole debate down, its a women's sport.

The football mentioning was too show you how much they run that sport (softball). As men do in football, and for the fact of a great softball male player as I said, there isn't one in the history of pro male sports.

Its kinda pig-gist, for guys to question or suggest changes to a women's game or compare there game to ours baseball, football, I mean why ain't nobody complain about cheer leading outfits, it observed.

[MYVOICE1]

The name of the mens fastpitch team is Peninsula Merchants. I think! They play in Foxhill @ Francis Asbury. I know they just started back up last year. I'm talking about pro's we don't see no highlights of male softball on any late night high reels, its a women's game, nobody can name a great male professional pitcher in softball! Not semi- pro.

[MYVOICE1]

By the way there are Male Fastpitch players. We have a local team. Cant remember the name. That's known, name a professional male there aren't any because, its a women dominated sport.

[PACKER BACKER]

Eddie Feigner of the famous traveling "King and his Court" was consistently clocked throwing a softball at 104mph.....there's reason #1 why there isn't a professional men's fast pitch league....how in the h3ll do you hit something like that? I'd face 70mph before 104mph ANY DAY!:eek: LOL!

And before you "blow up" - I already know "King and his Court" was a traveling exhibition. Technically speaking, you asked for a PROFESSIONAL male pitcher....I would venture a guess that if he could throw a softball at 104, that sounds pretty professional to me......LOL!:lol:

[softball93]

This is cracking me up please stop I can't take it any more!!!!:):D:lol::clap2:

[MYVOICE1]

Eddie FeignerFeigner
of the famous traveling "King and his Court" was consistently clocked throwing a softball at 104mph.....there's reason #1 why there isn't a professional men's fast pitch league....how in the h3ll do you hit something like that? I'd face 70mph before 104mph ANY DAY!:eek: LOL!

And before you "blow up" - I already know "King and his Court" was a traveling exhibition. Technically speaking, you asked for a PROFESSIONAL male pitcher....I would venture a guess that if he could throw a softball at 104, that sounds pretty professional to me......LOL!:lol: I didn't ask you to guess, I said name him, Its never been a real league
so don't guess, what you seen it on NBC or something please tell me, cause I haven't. I've seen women play on TV espnu, the US Olympic Team, its a women's league period. Nobody is going to pay any money to watch men play softball.

Like somebody is going to pay 800 million on a stadium and team on a sport for men that wouldn't do anything. You'll see a ladies pro league first, point blank and simple its their sport, give it up fellas this is a women's game. Asking the question why they wear this or that, is crazy. These are school grade kids, where's the boys HS softball team at?LOL..........

[PACKER BACKER]

I didn't ask you to guess, I said name him, Its never been a real league
so don't guess, what you seen it on NBC or something please tell me, cause I haven't. I've seen women play on TV espnu the US Olympic Team, its a women league period. nobody is going to pay no money to watch men play softball.

Like somebody is going to pay 800 million on a stadium and team on a sport for men that wouldn't do anything. You'll see a ladies pro league first, point blank and simple its their sport, give it up fellas this is a women's game.

I think you need a chill pill....it was all in fun. Sounds like you have a personal axe to grind and actually, I have paid to see his "Exhibition". And it was quite entertaining.
My "Guess" was rhetorical in nature.
Factually speaking throwing a softball under handed at 104 mph IS PROFESSIONAL, league affiliated or not.....how about you try naming a female that can throw one at 104 and I'll do my best at trying to stop having some fun with this and when you find a female that can hit that softball thrown at 104 by said female, I'll start my hunt for financial backers to begin a Professional Female Softball League. K?

[BCPofVa]

Mens Fastpitch has been around for a long time.http://www.nafafastpitch.com/

[BIfan]

The F & M Bankers played in Fox Hill back in the 60's and 70's. They were a men's team (you would probably consider them semi-pro because they did get money for travel and other things). People did pay to watch them play. I would bet that any one that is from this area and pitches, either learned how from one of these guys or learned from one of their students.

[MYVOICE1]

Look I don't have any hard feelings towards no one on this, I'm stating facts not fiction. Go back and read it over read the other post, I like all sports, when I speak on sports its not to offend anyone. So you chill, don't look at what I'm saying as being disrespectful to you or anyone on here. I said its a women's sport. QuiteFrankly!

[MYVOICE1]

The F & M Bankers played in Fox Hill back in the 60's and 70's. They were a men's team (you would probably consider them semi-pro because they did get money for travel and other things). People did pay to watch them play. I would bet that any one that is from this area and pitches, either learned how from one of these guys or learned from one of their students. I know they have semi pro, I want someone to give me a pro. This is not to knock on any softball players'(male) that is, but your sport as men playing it *****(QuiteFrankly), as to women playing it. Its their league their rules. Even though males play the sport, its dominated by young girls, and women. Like baseball girls may play little league, but the sport is dominated by young boys and men.

So too debate over why they wear this or that, when its clearly they dominate the sport! Not saying that you questioned it, your were giving me some semi pro players names, I like that, but I asked for pros. People may have paid money, but when I say money, I'm talking MLB, NFL,NBA,GOLF,MLS, money.

[BIfan]

Not saying that you questioned it, your were giving me some semi pro players names, I like that, but I asked for pros. People may have paid money, but when I say money, I'm talking MLB, NFL,NBA,GOLF,MLS, money.

I am not downing the sport or women, but where do Pro women play and get the money that MLB pays? Are you talking about the NPF (go to their web site and you'll see the MLB emblem that says "Official Development Partner") and their 6 teams with ticket prices between $6 and $9. I'll bet with inflation, that's probably less than what people used to pay to see the guys play in Fox Hill 45 years ago. I can not believe that these women are making anywhere near what MLB players are making. So please tell me what Pro women players are making MLB money or where people are paying MLB ticket prices to watch these women play softball. I agree with you that fast pitch softball has become a women's sport, but it didn't start out that way. Sorry this has gotten so far off topic.

[ayoung019]

Your talking about Mens Professional Fastpitch...why are we worried about that? There is no Professional Womens league. Get over yalls self. We have the USA National team, but thats it...where is the Professional Softball.....not around here anyway.

[newkentdad]

Actually the NPF IS a womans professional leage. Players make between $ 3000.00 to $ 6000.00 per season. I think they have 6 or 8 teams and they play themselves plus different countries National teams. There was also a womens professional leage back in the mid 70's. I think they were slow pitch vs fast pitch, lasted about 5 years. No clue on what kind of salaries they got. NOW not sure what that has to due with uniform issues but what the heck.

[misssecondcatch]

Baseball does not allow this because there coaches are strict and the players(males) are not disrespectful to the game. They play with little on and it doesnt matter how cold it is.

Football, coaches are strict to their players(males) and they are disciplined and respect their game and wear their jerseys. some pros in Green bay wear no under armor in negative weather!

Softball, coaches dont care. They are not strict. Females have different attitudes toward sports. they care about their physical features and themselves only.
They wear high shorts to attract attenchion to their Game of Softball.
They wear hoodies and sweats becuase they are too precious to be out in the cold.

It comes down to their desire for the game, and i know for a fact that 90% of the players in the PD for softball dont respect the game. they could care less about it becuase they dont believe they can make it to the next level. Goin out and lookin good each day is more important than driving in the winning run to win districts.



1) how dare you sit there and say we would rather look good than drive in the winning run for districts. this is why softball looses it's credibility. ignorant people who want to put in their 2 cents, and make a joke or two. i know, every softball coach i have had since rec league has been hard on me. every coach has made me run poles, do the extra laps, and agilities. you want to see strict softball coaches? i will show you a few. (2) do not ever question, or doubt a softball player's drive, and work ethic. when the team is down by one run in the bottom of the 7th, and are last at bat, we plan on shutting it down right there, or going onto and 8th inning. we play hard, and we play to win, 24/7. we want it more than anything, and for you to question that, that's just pompous. (3) when the face mask idea came out, almost every girl did not want to use them. i still don't use them when i can get away with it. they make it difficult to see the ball, and they make the helmet bounce when you run. masks forthe 3rd, 1st and pitcher? give me a break, we know the risk we are taking when we step out on the field. it's not the players requesting this "saftey" equipment, it's the people who think girls are too precious to get hurt, and can't "play hard". which brings us back to square one, insulting the game. not by wearin hoodies, but by giving us usless saftey equipment you think we need.

[CoachBell]

This has been an interesting thread to say the least.

Personally I think the girls should all dress alike on team and look good it is part of being a TEAM. A individuals wearing something different shouldn't start or play in a game. Boys must play good to feel good and girls have to feel good to play good.

I was once an advocate for male sports but until God blessed me with daughters I never saw the lack of justice for the girls, I was blinded. I now have both boys and girls, quite honestly I don't have to worry about fighting for the boys because boys get everything. NOW take all things equal to spending you will not find a boys or mens team that would play any harder than a girls softball team. And honestly they play harder on many occasions without the funding.

A GREAT softball coach once said "Always respect the game and it will never fail you" Anyone know who this was?

Honestly the sport has evolved from what it once was, has gotten much better over the years. Baseball hasn't evolved and hasn't changed, it remains the same. OH except the salaries that are getting so astronomical that one can barely afford to go to a game. Heck I would rather see a girls College game or Olympic game or even a very good travel ball game vs seeing Professional baseball.

If softball had the promotion and support that baseball does then I promise you it would far surpass anything that baseball could put out. The reason this isn't done is because of culture, past practice, OLD philosophies and the big money that has equipped male sports to dominate the Television and newspapers.

To all the Women and Girls playing this wonderful sport - If you love it and respect it, it makes you happy. STAY WITH IT! You have a fan for life in me!

[kochanie803]

CHUCKNORRISFAN...i personally think you should stay out of the entire softball forum if your attitude towards girls softball is that we dont take it seriously and the only reason for the sport is to spark someones interest with our shorts and our ribbons and visors...if you really believe that 90% of us playing high school softball dont care about high school softball, no one would play. weve got real deal athletes getting big money to play in division 1 schools here. and im sure 90% of us could outrun outcatch and outhit you any day. do you even play softball? or baseball? or do anything productive but sit here and bash what we like to do?

if softball isnt something to be taken seriously, why is your name and your post in this forum? why did you even dare to click on the word softball? much less take the time to type something as...ignorant...as you did?

[hogan]

Interesting conversation, although much of it is not too important. Softball and Baseball are not equal. Evidence the facilities of the two at almost any school and you will note the differences. I don't visit the PD very often by have seen all of the Bay Rivers schools.

At Grafton...Baseball has a PERMANENT home run fence, softball doesn't.

At Tabb...Baseball has a fully enclosed facility on campus. Softball plays on church property without a fence.

At Poquoson...Baseball plays on campus with a PERMANENT home run fence. This year softball is playing off campus. Also note the difference in dugout sizes at the school.

At Warwick...Baseball plays on campus, while softball plays at Riverside Elementary.

I'm sure there other examples of the lack of equality between these sports. These are all violate Title IX. What one has they should both have.

So let's not talk about these sports being the same when they are not treated that way by the schools and school systems they represent.

[softball911]

I don`t know if it will happen or not but I would like to make a motion to close this particular forum. I really donot know what else is left to say and the I think some of the posts are getting away from the original intent. Just a suggestion.

[WOHS Softball Fan]

I agree...enough is enough...this should be a closed topic!

[Hawkeye06]

agreed

[Lynn Burke]

Nobody disagreed, so .....