brd and peninsula district s

[brdfan]

if any one is interested how about we rank the top 8 teams if these two districts were combined?

Jamestown
Lafeyette
Grafton
KHS
TAbb
Menchville
p-town
Warwick
thats my top 8 any one else want to comment on this or put there own rankings on?

[wizncaptain]

someone surely thinks that brd is better than peninsula.

You have ruled out Menchville and Kecoughtan outright

and don't forget that gloucester beat Lafayette in preseason

the competition is so different expecailly when you leave your own district

and the peninsula heads down to the beach district-like to see Jamestown
up against a powerhouse like Kellum, HIckory or Landstown

but bay river teams never go there

and once brd leaves their district, its like a cake walk to the states

becasue they head west to the rural counites
and no compeittion their unitl they head north

so some of the brd teams should come down off their high horse and remember that it all a game, for fun and school, and practically no other team (except maybe beach or northern VA teams are as is as loaded with talented club players like jamestown

[wizncaptain]

almost forgot

you have ranked Warwick and lafayette in you top 8 and
gloucester beat them both by 2 goals

so yess i think you ranking may be a bit lopsided.

[krawdaddy]

jamestown went down and beat landstowne last year couldnt get a game this year. they also beat maury this year and last as well as ocean lakes.

[wizncaptain]

Oh You Think That Jamestown Is So Hot

So Landstown Was Last Year-try Again Or Get Your Coach To
Actually Schedule Pre-season Games Early So That The Best Schools Are Not Already Booked.

Ocean Lakes Does Not Count As That Is A Magnet School And
Not Traditionally Strong


Try Taking On The Aaa Or Aaaa State Champions And You Will See

What Realll Soccer Is All About

No One Is Saying Jamestown Is Not Good,
But Think About Why They Are Good

Then Compare The Talent Pool In The Other Schools
In The Peninsula Disstrict Where The Limited Talent Is Diluted
Between 9 Schools-, Most Of Which Are Inner City Where Football Rules And Not Soccer.

[KHSOldSchool]

Here are my rankings:

JHS
Menchville
KHS
Grafton
Gloucester
Lafayette
Tabb
Warwick
Poquoson

Preseason games are hard to give proper credit toward a win or a loss. I say that b/c coaches are tinkering with their lineup to see who plays more as a cohesive unit and who can handle the pressure. So lineups from game to game can change drastically.

The only team that I've seen in person on this list that may not have trouble tinkering with their lineup is JHS. They have loads of talent.

[mhswizard]

I would most agree with KHSOldschool ranking becasue BRDfan has no clue whats been goin on.

[observer]

He also has poquoson as top 8. I have them at 5 in the BRD.

[brdfan]

i feel that the top 2 teams should be jhs then lafeyette and then khs and menchville but defently top two are the williamburg schools

[mhswizard]

That sounds better BRDfan. Nice Job. :D

[WHSkeeper06]

The BRD is much better than the PD. the only team ( in my opinion) that could hang with jamestown or lafayette in the PD is kecoughtan. other PD teams such as menchville, warwick, and gloucester are solid and MIGHT be able to hang (yes i know gloucester proved themselves, but it was likely a one time thing). but kecoughtan's style of play (posession) is really the type of ball that good teams play.

[mhswizard]

I, personally I would love to give the BRD a game or two againts LHS and JHS. I think it would be cool if we ever did play them to see how things would work out. Really this year would be nice to play againts one of the top teams in BRD.

[York Athltetics]

I've seen alot of soccer, and know alot of players from both districts. The rankings are pretty accurate. But Jamestown should try to play a Deep Run, or maybe some of the Northern Va schools. We havent played Lafayette yet, but after watching them play..not that impressed. I feel that they are the one overrated team in your standings.

[mhswizard]

Northern Va teams are nasty. Their club teams are nasty. Their all big and strong like a bull. and they can also play soccer. I never enjoy those games.

[observer]

Back when I played travel/club ball, it was always Newport News, Yorktown, Richmond and Beach as the top clubs. They always had the best high school teams, and still do judging by performance. (Don't know about Richmond, don't hear much about them.)

Lafayette is a tad overrated, but they are winning so we can't put them lower. I saw the Smithfied game, and yeah they got beat 7-1, but it wasn't as bad as the 6-1 loss to Jamestown. I don't think im being clear (curse'ed fire trucks woke me up wayyyy to early.)

We can't blame a team for not playing better opponents. I always thought that was the Athletic Directors job. In some instances, they don't care about the soccer team. I know Miles Blount (AD: Smithfield) hates the soccer team and schedules games like Windsor, Nandua, and Lakeland (twice!). The coaches should talk to the AD's, but when you work with an *****, not much can be done.

[KHSOldSchool]

A Richmond team (Thomas Dale) won the AAA state back-to-back years and went 35-0 in the process. Those travel teams years ago used to be called Richmond Magic and Richmond Strikers.

As for the scheduling bit, it's the coaches job to schedule non-district games. Not the AD's.

[brdfan]

i wish there could be a game at the end of the season with an all start team from bay rivers vs an all star team from peninsula or like a turnament with the top 4 teams from both distrcits battle it out

[York Athltetics]

As a person who has experience working with A.D.'s I agree. It is the coaches job to schedule non-district matches. The coach makes the arrangements and gets the A.D's approval. However, many of the AAA schools or better teams, do not want to be bothered playing mid level AA schools.

[mhswizard]

I think thats a nice thought BRDfan. I wouldnt mind giving some other teams a shot to play againts and see what their competition is like. Yea Richmond strikers are still around and their still pretty good. Even though a certain team beat them in state cup last year (WSC u-17 wizards :D ) but im sure schools with kids on those select teams are extremly talented.

[VICKtimize]

Oh You Think That Jamestown Is So Hot

So Landstown Was Last Year-try Again Or Get Your Coach To
Actually Schedule Pre-season Games Early So That The Best Schools Are Not Already Booked.

Ocean Lakes Does Not Count As That Is A Magnet School And
Not Traditionally Strong


Try Taking On The Aaa Or Aaaa State Champions And You Will See

What Realll Soccer Is All About

No One Is Saying Jamestown Is Not Good,
But Think About Why They Are Good

Then Compare The Talent Pool In The Other Schools
In The Peninsula Disstrict Where The Limited Talent Is Diluted
Between 9 Schools-, Most Of Which Are Inner City Where Football Rules And Not Soccer.

Nice use of the shift key, tone it down a bit there junior.

[PHSalum]

As a person who has experience working with A.D.'s I agree. It is the coaches job to schedule non-district matches. The coach makes the arrangements and gets the A.D's approval. However, many of the AAA schools or better teams, do not want to be bothered playing mid level AA schools.

You are right and that is a sad thing. Unlike most football, AAA vs AA is not as big of a difference. I think that some of the upper AAA would have better seasons if the scheduled top AA teams early. I now alot of the PD teams schedule P-town due to them being right in the middle of the PD so travel is not an issue.

[mhswizard]

MHS played alot of games before the season started. In all we played

Western Branch (2-1 us)
Landstown (0-3 them)
Kellam (1-2 them)
Grafton (0-2 them)
First Colonial (1-4 them)
Kempsville (4-1 us)

All of those were learning experince.

[SoccerMan09]

Here are my rankings:

JHS
Menchville
KHS
Grafton
Gloucester
Lafayette
Tabb
Warwick
Poquoson

Preseason games are hard to give proper credit toward a win or a loss. I say that b/c coaches are tinkering with their lineup to see who plays more as a cohesive unit and who can handle the pressure. So lineups from game to game can change drastically.

The only team that I've seen in person on this list that may not have trouble tinkering with their lineup is JHS. They have loads of talent.


How do u place Grafton behind Kecoughtan and Menchville....Grafton beat Menchville 3-0 and Kecoughtan 5-2. Grafton controls the midfield and plays their game. Grafton played 4 PD schools (Denbigh, Menchville, Warwick, and Gloucster) and won all 4 games by a combind score of 18-2. That just shows how dominant the BRD is in comparison and thats why the BRD gets 3 berths to regionals.

[Flying Fish]

:amen:

[ptownsocrplayr5]

i have to say jamestown without a doubt could kill any pd team

[KHSOldSchool]

How do u place Grafton behind Kecoughtan and Menchville....Grafton beat Menchville 3-0 and Kecoughtan 5-2. Grafton controls the midfield and plays their game. Grafton played 4 PD schools (Denbigh, Menchville, Warwick, and Gloucster) and won all 4 games by a combind score of 18-2. That just shows how dominant the BRD is in comparison and thats why the BRD gets 3 berths to regionals.

As I said in another post....preseason doesn't mean diddly. So what you won, preseason is more for a team to work out the bugs. Winning is nice, but that's not the point of preseason.

Do you ever watch NFL? Even Super Bowl teams lose preseason games b/c they are trying knock the rust off and get their timing down. Plus they want to find out what works and what doesn't. Even though it's a different sport, the approach to preseason is still the same.

[brdfan]

so anyone think that other than jamestown any teams from the district will go far in regionals and states

[WHSkeeper06]

[quote=KHSOldSchool;4505]As I said in another post....preseason doesn't mean diddly. So what you won, preseason is more for a team to work out the bugs. Winning is nice, but that's not the point of preseason.


youre right and wrong. yes, that is what the preseason is for but at the same time it is a relativlely decent way of comparing squads. as a former PD player, i can say that the BRD is by far better than the PD. sorry to say it, but no PD team would rank in the top 4 area teams... and beyond that, PD schools would struggle against the 5th and 6th BRD schools. thats why we get crushed every year at regionals.

[KHSOldSchool]

[quote=KHSOldSchool;4505]As I said in another post....preseason doesn't mean diddly. So what you won, preseason is more for a team to work out the bugs. Winning is nice, but that's not the point of preseason.


youre right and wrong. yes, that is what the preseason is for but at the same time it is a relativlely decent way of comparing squads. as a former PD player, i can say that the BRD is by far better than the PD. sorry to say it, but no PD team would rank in the top 4 area teams... and beyond that, PD schools would struggle against the 5th and 6th BRD schools. thats why we get crushed every year at regionals.

Your argument does not mean a thing, b/c we never will/do face BRD in regionals. And once again, the PD doesn't get killed in regionals.

[WHSkeeper06]

i didnt say we face BRD teams at regionals. i was implying that beach teams and BRD teams are comparable. i dont even see how you can argue this topic. BRD teams are better than PD teams.

[KHSOldSchool]

KHS's opponents for preseason (which btw, means nothing but does show that they can compete):

Scrimmage:
KHS vs Cox (Beach Team): KHS 2, Cox 0
Preseason:
KHS vs. FC (Beach team): FC 3, KHS 2. Game was close and well fought, KHS played evenly with FC
KHS vs. Poquoson (Garvey Tournament opponent, BRD Team): KHS 3, PHS 1. Game wasn't even close and PHS's goalie Nathan Isley kept them in the game.
KHS vs. York (Garvey Tournament opponent, BRD Team): KHS 3, YHS 0. Once again, not a close game....if KHS could finish it would've been a lot worse.
KHS vs. Princess Anne (Beach Team): KHS 1, PAHS 1. KHS's worst game of the season. Total melt down, but should've lost & couldn't finish.
KHS vs. Tabb (BRD Team): KHS 3, THS 1. Tabb scored a fluke goal, but still has talent....KHS out-hustled and out-played them.
KHS vs. Indian River (Eastern or South Eastern Team): KHS 2, IRHS 0. Mediocre game for KHS, but clearly the better team.
KHS vs. Grafton (BRD Team, the 4th they've faced): KHS 2, GHS 5. Grafton may have won, but the score was not indicative of the game. Plus, word through the grape vine.....KHS did not play for nine days straight b/c they had spring break the week before and GHS's AD didn't bother to let KHS know they were playing the Monday following spring break. So, in KHS defense they were not prepared for this game even though these two teams were suppose to face each other in the Garvey Tournament final.

So out of four BRD teams KHS has faced they've beaten 3 of them. Granted, Grafton beat KHS, but Grafton also lost to Poquoson (beaten by KHS, 3-1) and tied Tabb (also beaten by KHS, 3-1). That's why I'd put GHS behind KHS.

I agree that the BRD, as a whole, may be a better district, but to say that MHS, KHS or even WHS can't hang with them is totally proposterous when the scores show that they can.

And lastly, Soccerman09....no matter how good the PD may get, if it ever does....they can only have two teams go to regionals. SO the "three teams" to regional statement doesn't mean a hill of beans.

[Lynn Burke]

That just shows how dominant the BRD is in comparison and thats why the BRD gets 3 berths to regionals.

That has absolutely nothing to do with why the Bay Rivers gets three teams in the regional tournament. The BRD gets three spots the district is the largest in the region.

[SoccerMan09]

KHS's opponents for preseason (which btw, means nothing but does show that they can compete):

Scrimmage:
KHS vs Cox (Beach Team): KHS 2, Cox 0
Preseason:
KHS vs. FC (Beach team): FC 3, KHS 2. Game was close and well fought, KHS played evenly with FC
KHS vs. Poquoson (Garvey Tournament opponent, BRD Team): KHS 3, PHS 1. Game wasn't even close and PHS's goalie Nathan Isley kept them in the game.
KHS vs. York (Garvey Tournament opponent, BRD Team): KHS 3, YHS 0. Once again, not a close game....if KHS could finish it would've been a lot worse.
KHS vs. Princess Anne (Beach Team): KHS 1, PAHS 1. KHS's worst game of the season. Total melt down, but should've lost & couldn't finish.
KHS vs. Tabb (BRD Team): KHS 3, THS 1. Tabb scored a fluke goal, but still has talent....KHS out-hustled and out-played them.
KHS vs. Indian River (Eastern or South Eastern Team): KHS 2, IRHS 0. Mediocre game for KHS, but clearly the better team.
KHS vs. Grafton (BRD Team, the 4th they've faced): KHS 2, GHS 5. Grafton may have won, but the score was not indicative of the game. Plus, word through the grape vine.....KHS did not play for nine days straight b/c they had spring break the week before and GHS's AD didn't bother to let KHS know they were playing the Monday following spring break. So, in KHS defense they were not prepared for this game even though these two teams were suppose to face each other in the Garvey Tournament final.

So out of four BRD teams KHS has faced they've beaten 3 of them. Granted, Grafton beat KHS, but Grafton also lost to Poquoson (beaten by KHS, 3-1) and tied Tabb (also beaten by KHS, 3-1). That's why I'd put GHS behind KHS.

I agree that the BRD, as a whole, may be a better district, but to say that MHS, KHS or even WHS can't hang with them is totally proposterous when the scores show that they can.

And lastly, Soccerman09....no matter how good the PD may get, if it ever does....they can only have two teams go to regionals. SO the "three teams" to regional statement doesn't mean a hill of beans.


yeah well 1st...Christine Garvey is not Pre-Season since it counts on your overall record. 2 what is this stuff about the Grafton AD tricking KHS into a game right after Spring Break. York County had spring break the same week and the game was set up a week before Spring Break.

[kutharbatcha]

How do u place Grafton behind Kecoughtan and Menchville....Grafton beat Menchville 3-0 and Kecoughtan 5-2. Grafton controls the midfield and plays their game. Grafton played 4 PD schools (Denbigh, Menchville, Warwick, and Gloucster) and won all 4 games by a combind score of 18-2. That just shows how dominant the BRD is in comparison and thats why the BRD gets 3 berths to regionals.


just putting this out there, warwick never played Grafton this year in pre-season and they haven't in recent years, though the BRD district is good and yes perhaps better than the Peninsula district ... but like someone else said before... they are nothing compared to the beach District ... so no point in making BRD look better than they are and also, just a side note, it's just kind of upsetting how people give Gloucester so much credit for beating Warwick.. obviously if you think it was a well deserved win for Gloucester ... you definitely did not watch the game ...

[observer]

So because the Bears arn't as good as the Colts, they arn't better than the Raiders? odd.

[kutharbatcha]

yeah .. that metaphor would have been nice .. if it were soccer related ..afterall .. this is a "boys soccer" forum ...

[KHSOldSchool]

yeah well 1st...Christine Garvey is not Pre-Season since it counts on your overall record. 2 what is this stuff about the Grafton AD tricking KHS into a game right after Spring Break. York County had spring break the same week and the game was set up a week before Spring Break.

I wasn't saying the AD tricked KHS into not telling them....he simply forgot to tell KHS that he scheduled a game. That is the story I heard from the coach.

So, due to KHS not finding out about the game late Thursday (the week before the game which was played on the following Monday)....the coach felt it was too late to call all the players for practice. KHS did not practice/play since their last game the Friday from the week before. SO they had nine days off, no practice, no conditioning, no touches, no timing....etc.

So did you get KHS at their best during that game? After a break like that, who would play a good game?